$5.00 for the new Dodgers channel.

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by lipcrkr, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. cforrest

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    Perhaps something may happen, Time Warner has lowered the price of the channel 30% now in hopes of getting other MSOs to finally agree to carry the channel.

    "Time Warner Cable said late Tuesday that it had cut by 30% the price of the sports channel offered to DirecTV and other pay-TV providers with the hope of spurring long-stalled negotiations over carriage of the channel before the new season begins April 4."

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-dodger-channel-tv-channel-compromise-offer-20160322-story.html
     
  2. slice1900

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    Maybe it will help, but I'd bet against it. All those providers who aren't carrying it have already seen all the subscriber losses from this, so their only hope is that adding the channel will win them new subscribers. They're going to need a lot of new subscribers to offset subscribers who will leave once their rates go up to pay for it. They have to be more sensitive to the idea that cord cutting is becoming a better and better option for non sports fans, and being asked to pay for yet another sports channel they don't want will push more LA area people to cut the cord.

    If I were them (not just Directv/Uverse, but also Dish, Comcast, Cox, etc.) I'd pass and figure TWC will lower the price further next year as they get more desperate.
     
  3. HoTat2

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    But if the merger with Charter goes through as I've heard the FCC is close to approving, won't the Dodger channel mess become their problem now?

    Wonder if Charter will have deeper pockets and can afford to hold out longer?



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  4. slice1900

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    It isn't about needing deeper pockets, TWC isn't exactly on the verge of bankruptcy. The financials don't change if it becomes Charter's problem. They still have to figure out the best way to maximize their revenue for that channel, and minimize the losses as they are going to pay more to the Dodgers each year than receive in revenue no matter what they do.

    The big difference is that with TWC there's an element of not wanting to lose face by giving in. This little 30% drop that probably won't entice anyone is a symptom of that. No managers at Charter have their fingerprints on this, so if they need to drop the price by 70% from the original asking price to get others to sign on, they'll do that and won't feel bad about it and the failure of its strategy won't be their fault.
     
  5. Gloria_Chavez

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    The proposal by Time Warner Cable would be a one-year deal covering the upcoming season
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    So, TWC would probably significantly increase the fee after the first year!!!!!

    If I were DTV, I'd demand a 70% cut from last year's rates, and a 20 year deal with the rate increasing annually at the CPI. CPI is forecast to increase 1.8% annually over the next decade.

    As many of you have argued, DTV has nothing to lose by holding out.
     
  6. slice1900

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    One year deal is a non-starter. They know it is always harder for a provider to remove a channel they have than to never have carried it, so they're like a drug dealer offering a free sample hoping to get you hooked. No way anyone will take that deal.
     
  7. keenan

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    I agree, that bit about the one year deal tells me TWC is still not that interested in making the channel available at a reasonable cost. My guess is that the channel will still be limited to just TWC/Charter this season, no change from the previous 2 seasons.
     
  8. inkahauts

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    I'd guess that they are making a one year offer because they don't know what charter will want to do.

    The only reason I see anyone else picking it up is because in one sense there will never be another season like this one ever in Dodgers history. It's Vinnys last year and they may do a one year just for that. But then they'd dump it without huge concessions.

    I think realistically it'll be a wait and see game till charter takes over then see what charter wants to do.

    It's not really even close to in line with other rsns because they still are way over the price that other networks have and especially the ones with a lot more games and teams. Heck the Lakers channel will have more things on still than the Dodgers channel and it's closer to 2 or 3 a month as I recall and it's two channels!
     
  9. Grafixguy

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    This is no different than the Philly market where CSN Philly is unavailable. Anyone that cares that much is already on a different provider.

    The only hope TWC has is to drastically cut the price or allow DTV to offer it as a stand alone to those willing to pay for it.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    Actually this is totally different than the philly market in how we got to this in the first place. Not even close to similar.

    And I'd suggest that there is a fairly large amount of people who don't care in general about the channel but want it just for this one year. It's a big deal in that regard. I wouldn't be surprised if some people had charter or Time Warner Cable added to their home with dtv for just baseball season and then dumped them after the season ends.

    I'm. It sure they will ever cut the price enough to make it logical for anyone to pick up.
     
  11. Grafixguy

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    When it first happened, it was different in that the Dodgers were available on other channels and on DTV, but at this point, it is very much the same.

    Anyone that wanted the Dodgers that badly is already gone and adding that channel is not likely to have any positive impact for DTV.

    I get that this is a special year, but no provider is not going to sign a one year deal.

    If it were me, I probably would have switched providers by now or would subscribe to Extra Innings and use a VPN to get around the local blackouts.
     
  12. inkahauts

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    It's still not the same IMHO. The Philly channel has more than one thing. The dodgers channel has only the Dodgers. Absolutely nothing else. Nothing! The lakers channel has picked up a bunch of other stuff.

    Yes they both come down to money today but how we got here makes a big difference. That philly channel was around for many many years.
     
  13. AngryManMLS

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    I wouldn't be shocked if the Dodgers channel picks up the new Los Angeles FC MLS expansion team in 2018.... if the channel is still around then.
     
  14. inkahauts

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    Not sure. Their previous deal may still stand. You'd think the Lakers channel would want it with the Galaxy and the fact they have the dedicated Sprite channel.

    But the Dodgers haven't even tried to get anything else from the looks of it.
     
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    Don't forget one more thing different as well from what you've said: CSN Philly was always purposely overpriced by Comcast knowing the other carriers such as DTV and DishNet would not sign, therefore Comcast keeps its monopoly in Philly. The SNLA channel is a different type of mess as you know and it's simply the fact TWC does in fact want distribution unlike Comcast and CSN Philly only they are trying to make up for their huge mistake for what they paid
     
  16. Grafixguy

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    A bit off topic, but CSN Philly is available on FiOS which competes directly with Comcast.
     
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    Signs of desperation from TWC, making another offer so soon after the first one was ignored. When you have a desperate seller trying to offer you something you don't need, you wait for him to become more desperate. Expect to see this offer ignored as well.
     
  19. inkahauts

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    Well everyone in sure said no way in earth will we agree to a one year deal. That was just silly anyway. I wonder if anyone would even agree to a 23 year deal at $3.50 a month forever at this point.
     
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    I also like how the article pointed out that indirectly, the demise of the Lakers have made it more difficult to sell the Dodger's SNLA.

    The MVPDs here are already taking a financial beating stuck with having to pay an average of $4.00 per subscriber per season for the Lakers' TWC Sportsnet who's ratings have obviously plummeted as the team has been in a progressive state of total collaspe since 2010 to now barely above D-league quality today.

    No way the MVPDs want to be potentially saddled with two expensive lemon RSNs with poor viewership.

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