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6 second thing on rewind.....

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by tpayne105, Aug 17, 2007.

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  1. uscboy

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    Not really the point. The point is they had an option, hidden at that, and
    therefore unsupported by CSRs, and they removed it. That's not an upgrade, it's
    a downgrade.
     
  2. Steve

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    I completely understand why you may feel this way, but I don't believe that this was a downgrade. I think D* always intended to make AUTOCORRECT a standard feature, and the option to disable it off was only there during the CE testing and tweaking cycle, while the feature was still a work in progress and may still have been too unpolished for some users who needed to turn it off as a result.

    IIRC, the first two AUTOCORRECT CEs, you had to enable it. The third CE it was on by default, but could still disable it. Next release you couldn't disable it. Seems to me this pattern was deliberate on D*'s part. Of course, I could be wrong, but it is one explanation that fits the facts. :) /steve
     
  3. uscboy

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    But it's still a decision, not a requirement IMO. It was there and it was working...
    why remove it?

    Anyway, the least they could do is leave it off the 30 second slip. FF and REW,
    fine, whatever, but it's really messing with the 30 second slips.
     
  4. MKrehelII

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    AUTOCORRECT is a joke and they need to leave a way to disable it until they make it work properly as my beloved T-60 tivo does.

    it makes the search functions useless and makes it impossible to skip commercials since the 6 seconds is not a standard block... So we're forced to hear people screaming on commercials with ridiculously loud levels as opposed to the normal program material.:mad: :mad:


    added: tried the edgecutter menu "misc options" and the only thing left is the sort option...........

    So now when I finally get home to relax and try to watch TV i have to focus on correcting the stupid autocorrect to make it stop when I want, this is a bad as the high intensity (down your throat with no option) new GUI, the DISH 722 is sounding better every day!
     
  5. bruinfever

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    I have tried this medthod of removing autocorrect but everytime I follow the instructions I just get the MISC options screen with only one option and that's the playlist sort function. What am I doing wrong?
     
  6. davidord

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    Nothing. You can't disable it anymore. Personally, I think it is a great feature. But, options are always nice.
     
  7. kikkenit2

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    Before they added FF auto correction I just used slip for commercials. Now I use 3x ff instead. That works fine but the 1x ff is backing up about double or triple what it should. It'll probably be just right when I turn 90.:lol:

    I really miss the 30 second instant skip that the HR10 and 622 have. That was optimal for commercials and in between football plays. The wish list guys told me Fox won't allow that anymore. Bummer. The shortcut game replays are just too fast and not in HD.

    And while this rant is going strong who dreamed up all that edgecutter stuff. They really didn't want to make it easy to get to the change sort defaults or turn off auto correction. I don't want to turn it off, just adjust 1x to about 2 seconds rewind.
     
  8. Steve

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    Probably a decision based on the fact TiVo never made it an option and it seems to be OK in the TiVo community. Just a guess on my part.

    Unless something has changed in the latest CE, which I missed, I've carefully timed ADVANCES (aka 30 second slips) using the HDNet Test Pattern.

    A single ADVANCE is 30 seconds. The problem is that 6 "stacked" ADVANCES is 3:22 instead of the expected 3 minutes, and 8 "stacked" ADVANCES is 4:30, instead of the expected 4 minutes. IMO, what D* needs to do is factor in the actual time it takes for the ADVANCES to complete. ADVANCE #1 should be 30 seconds, and ADVANCES #2-#X should only be 25-26 seconds each. /steve
     
  9. MKrehelII

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    this receiver just gets worse with time, like a spoiled wine. First the GUI now taking the ability to skip commercials away, this is not what I signed up for and purchased/not the same operation at all.. And it was just fine/ a great DVR too.

    It's just sad that you can't even count on the DVR skipping properly anymore on top of being blinded.

    I'm thinking of DISH more and more.
     
  10. jahgreen

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    What's stopping you from skipping commercials?
     
  11. MKrehelII

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    The fact that the 30 second skip can actually take me back in time..... this is absurd. Why have the skip function if you can't control it and it "attempts to think for me" when it actually screws up the timing so now when I skip through commercials it automatically goes back to the last commercial (at least the last 10-15 seconds).


    Someone had a previous post where they carefully timed it and show the over compensation times for a specific number of 30 second skips.

    It's terribly irritating when I know I can hit skip 5 times and skip all commercials but now when I do it skips perfectly then backs right up automatically to the yelling and screaming of commercials.:mad:

    This defeats my main use for this device..:(
     
  12. Steve

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    You're right, that is absurd! :lol:

    I think you misunderstood my timings in my previous post. The first ADVANCE (30-second skip) is exactly 30 seconds. Subsequent ADVANCE are 30 seconds plus the time it takes them to execute, so they skip forward MORE than the total time you would expect, not LESS... and certainly not back in time! :)

    The work-around I use right now is to stack 5 ADVANCES for an expected 3 minutes of commercials, instead of 6. ADVANCES are not autocorrected, BTW, which may have led to your misunderstanding me. /steve
     
  13. MKrehelII

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    thanks Steve, try one thing I "used" to do to make small 15 second skips that's messed up now and that's hitting skip just once then rapidly hitting play and you go back in time not forward at all.:nono::nono:

    I really appreciate the input but that leaves 1 minute of loud foul commercials that frankly I won't live with. I'll just scrap the receiver/send to DTV and take the harddisk for use in PC or something and upgrade my DISH to the new 722 PVR instead of standard receiver I have now so I can use it for watching TV. This insanely bright new GUI is puking me out enough but this is over the edge now (taking the ability to control the skipping out). This thing doesn't even resemble what I purchased for way too much $.
     
  14. Steve

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    Well actually, it only leaves 10 seconds of commercials. Try it out. First ADVANCE is 30 seconds, next four are 35 seconds each. So that gets you to 170 seconds, instead of the desired 180 seconds. If you stack that 6th ADVANCE, you wind up going over by 25 seconds, which is why I only use 5.

    My biggest problem is guesstimating whether commercial blocks are going to be 2, 3 or 4 minutes, which is why FFX3 AUTOCORRECTED is still probably a better method. Just my druthers, however. :) /steve
     
  15. Ext 721

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    There is/will be an option to jump-back or not to.

    since you're in the minority who hate it, D* is doing their job. It took me a day or two, but now I like it.
     
  16. MKrehelII

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    I guess like you said most people must not care if their electronics suck and don't respond / control as they are supposed to (EG: fwd actually going forward and not doing something stupid like trying to anticipate that I can't control my fingers and actually going back..)


    Sad that this is the case, I like to put thought into gear I engineer..
     
  17. vegasflyby

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    I like the auto-correct but it doesn't make sense why the option to turn it off would be removed.
     
  18. CenturyBreak

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    You refer to the 30 sec. slip as an ADVANCE in your post so I'm presuming that's what you're referring to... just to make sure we're talking about the same thing! :grin:

    Presuming that, I'm confused by your comment. My experience seems to reflect that of other members who hate/despise/loath/want-to-turn-off autocorrect... 30 sec. slips ARE autocorrected, for reasons that remain unknown. :(

    Here's my experience: during a single or any number of stacked slips, press play, and the video backs up between 8 and 12 seconds. Note that this applies to both SD and mpeg2 HD. We shouldn't have to mentally correct autocorrect (estimate the additional 8 - 12 sec. of slipped video, THEN press play!) while we're simply watching TV, should we?

    Similarly, FF1 is waaaayyyyy over-corrected: pressing play backs up between 2 and 3 seconds, where a quarter to a half second of autocorrect would be sufficient.

    It's great in theory, but as implemented, it's broken. :mad:
     
  19. Steve

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    Yes. 30 second slip is a TiVo term. DirecTV calls it ADVANCE on the HR20, so I use that term not to confuse HR20 users who many have never used a TiVo box. :)

    I'm not sure how you're testing, but I use the HDNet Test Pattern (MPEG-2 HD). If you don't have it, you can record it on Sat, Sep 8, 6:30 AM EDT on channel 79. If it's not in the guide, just set up a manual recording for 10 minutes. The recording has a persistent MM:SS counter that clearly shows that a single ADVANCE is exactly 30 seconds, with no AUTOCORRECTION, assuming you let it complete naturally and don't hit PLAY to stop it prematurely. It also shows that "stacked" ADVANCES run long, with the time it takes them to actually execute added to the total ADVANCE time. Again, there is NO AUTOCORRECTION applied when "stacking".

    This is not a bug, it's a feature. :) Any accelerated forward motion is AUTOCORRECTED when you exit by hitting PLAY. If you're using ADVANCE as a replacement for one of the FF speeds and stop it early by hitting PLAY based on what you see on the screen, why wouldn't it be AUTOCORRECTED? The same issues of compensating for delayed reflexes when coming out of a FFX2 or FFx3 come into play. IMHO, it would be irresponsible of D* NOT to AUTOCORRECT a PLAY-terminated ADVANCE.

    According to the HDNet Test Pattern, FFX1 AUTOCORRECTION is just shy of 2 seconds. It happens to work for me, now that I've gotten used to it, but I understand folks are split about 50/50 on this feature, based on a recent POLL.

    Just my .02. /steve
     
  20. MKrehelII

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    The poll link doesn't seem to work and I would love to vote but can't seem to find it, please let me know where it is if it still exists.

    The really really needs to be an option to disable this "feature" for those of us that want the receiver to actually go forward when we hit skip forward then play to try to get small skips as well as the over correction on more skips too, heck no need to correct as far as I can see in the 1st place anyway but if some 50% seem to like it then they should allow us to choose (I don't think we'll hurt ourselves with an option...)

    Thanks,

    Mike
     
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