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7 years after the of the Ciel-II satellite outage

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by GoLongAndChopChop881, Sep 13, 2018.

  1. GoLongAndChopChop881

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    As of September 9th, 2011, a strong geomagnetic storm from the sun (sunspot 1283 / X1.8 flare) is in progress following the impact of a CME around 07:30 EDT.

    A high-speed solar wind stream flowing from a large coronal hole should reach Earth on Sept. 11-12 sparking even more aurora.

    On the 13th (which was my birthday today ;)), the satellite Ciel-II was experiencing outages due to a solar flare. This can cause DISH customers to lose signal, unless they can watch DVR recordings, On Demand or having the Eastern Arc (61.5, 72, 77 (op)).

    The 129 outage was after 2 days of the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attack.

    On the 14th, Ciel-II restored its capacity and the signal got its better reception for EchoStar/DISH.

    Not to mention about the lease date. EchoStar had signed a deal with Telesat Canada that Ciel-II had 10 years of the lease. The lease ends at January 2019 which was 4 months left.

    And what EchoStar said in the statement,
    "On July 30, 2018, we did not provide notice to renew our lease for the capacity of Ciel II. Accordingly, our lease for the capacity of Ciel II will expire in January 2019 at the conclusion of the initial term. There can be no assurance that the expiration of our lease for capacity of Ciel II will not have a material adverse effect on our business, results of operations and financial condition or otherwise disrupt our business."

    Old thread about the 129 outage
    Signal loss on 129° (Problem resolved)


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  2. scooper

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    I see all the SD channels on 119 / 110 CONUS being transfered to the HD version if available. I also see any spotbeam channels on 119 / 110 for locals getting the same treatment. There may also be some dropping of some locals.

    The other thing that could happen is that Dish finds something else to replace CIEL II on 129, or Dish starts moving as many people to Eastern Arc as possible.

    Anything else leaves most Western Arc subs without HD (but not without programming).

    You can bet that ALL Dish subs will now require an HD capable receiver ( they have been moving towards this for the last couple years anyway).
     
  3. James Long

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    Older subscribers may have 8PSK SD receivers (QPSK service ended a couple of years ago - although there are a couple of QPSK transponders). Otherwise I agree, most DISH subscribers have HD capable receivers any anyone who does not will be pushed in that direction.

    Getting rid of the SD locals on western arc will free up spotbeam space and allow DISH to move channels off of 129 and over to 110 and 119. DISH has also been putting as many HD channels as possible on each transponder. I have not done the math, but DISH may be able to compress their service to the 50 transponders on 110-119 and not need 129.
     
  4. scooper

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    What I would be concerned about is for those subs whose locals are ONLY on 129 - both SD and HD. Erie PA falls into this as I recall (or at least it used to) , and there maybe others.
     
  5. James Long

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    Erie PA, Bend OR, Columbus OH, Dayton OH, Sioux City IA, St Joseph MO and Wausau WI are the markets with all of their channels on 129.

    Wichita Falls TX/Lawton OK has all of their WA channels on 129 but also has all of their channels on 61.5.

    DISH has HD in every market except Ottumwa IA/Kirksville MO and Rapid City SD (which remains uplinked twice in SD).
     
  6. HoTat2

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    Interesting ...

    And while I'm sure a new 110/119 "WA twin" LNB will be produced if 129W is really going to be gone for good.

    It's funny how in a very ironic twist then (except if int'l prog.is needed) an old round Dish 500 will be able to receive all WA DISH programming.

    Same as with the EA if 77W is not needed.

    That is, technically speaking, while they won't hurt anything of course. The larger elliptical dishes historically beginning with the Dish 1000 will not be necessary for the majority of subscribers on either arc.

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  7. les.warden

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    Wondering out loud if this means us RV people with domes-on-top and domes-in-the-yard might get a little improvement and we might not hear the dome movement whirr when changing channels.
     
  8. scooper

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    Maybe not as much... Depends on your viewing habits...
     
  9. scooper

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    Funny you should speak of that ...
    Actually, I think Dish / Echostar will stick to the 1000.2 dish (for either arc). They MAY come out with a Hybrid Dish500 Twin for Western Arc. Then again, they may find a 3rd slot solution from somewhere else and this will be all moot.
     
  10. GoLongAndChopChop881

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    Like in the Great Britain, people say that satellite TV soon to become obsolete. Fiber and streaming is their generation (e.g. AT&T (US), Verizon (US), CenturyLink (US), Netflix, Sky (UK), Amazon), and we have no idea how Sling, Fubo, and DirecTV NOW/AT&T Watch TV 'app' are rapidly focusing the audience to get rid of ugly dishes and old cables.

    DISH will lose the 5th slot (129) to remove SD-duplicate cable networks (e.g. Comedy Central, CNN, CNBC, Cartoon Network, Discovery, ESPN, Fox News, MSNBC, NFL Network, Syfy, USA, Telemundo, Univision, The Weather Channel, WGN) and SD-duplicate locals to free up space, and to add new services such as the Hybrid Dish500 Twin for WA (119, 110). 148 and 129 were between DISH slots that were discontinued. Unlike EchoStar|DISH, AT&T|DirecTV took full control of the satellites and to end MPEG2 services in the next 7 months.

    List of DISH slots in order:
    1. 119
    2. 61.5 (discontinued for E12/E15)
    3. 110
    4. 148 (discontinued, tps were active)
    5. 129 (almost ending for the lease date)
    6. 121
    7. 105 (discontinued)
    8. 118
    9. 77
    10. 72
     
  11. P Smith

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    seem it does not in any order... not for EA/WA division, nor for Clarke belt order ...
     
  12. GoLongAndChopChop881

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    I mean the date.

    • 119 became the 1st slot in 1996.
    • 61.5 became the 2nd slot in 1998.
    • Both 110 and 148 became the 3rd and 4th slot in 1999.
    • 129 became the 5th slot in 2005.
    • 77 became the 9th slot in 2008.
    • 72 became the 10th slot in 2009.
     
  13. James Long

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    The Hybrid EA Twin (designed for roughly 9 degree spaced 61.5 and 72.7) should work for WA (9 degree spaced 119 and 110).
    The old DPP Twins work for either of those pairings.
     
  14. scooper

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    61.5 is still very much in use for Eastern Arc. They may have some satellites at many slots that are in-orbit spares, but the full Eastern Arc (61.5, 72.7 and 77) are still in use. Western Arc (110,119 and 129) may soon be facing a space crunch with the end of the Ciel II lease.
     
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    I did try using the old DPP TWIN on a Dish500 on 61.5 and 72.7 - it suffered a little signal degradation compared to my 1000.4, but it was usable for all but the worst weather.
     
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  17. GoLongAndChopChop881

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    72.7 - 61.5 = 11.2 degree (estimated 11 instead of 9). It won't work for the Western Arc depending on its different slots and transponders.

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    Speakfully true. I was at Omaha, NE to have HD-only locals while having the 1000.2 EA dish. One of my complaints is about the 77 slot, like during Summer 2012, my parents need DishLATINO channels to watch Telemundo and ESPN Deportes, but due to some satellite anomalies or tall trees, we also reinstalled to the Western Arc before QuetzSat I was active.

    The EA (61.5 and 77) was the only one that launched HD locals for some markets in late 2008. Until then, Ciel II, a 3rd party satellite and a slot for the Western Arc also added 55 spotbeams to launch HD locals in spring 2009. This could've been sad if they lose 129 in 2019. Here's my timeline of my HD locals launched.
    • September 2008: Omaha HD DMA testing on 61.5
    • October 2008: Omaha HD DMA now available on 61.5
    • January 2009: Ciel II is under spotbeam testing to replace EchoStar V
    • May 2009: Ciel II is now available and Omaha HD DMA launched
    • January 2019: Ciel II is ending its lease from EchoStar
     
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  19. TheGrove

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    I don't know, there are still a lot of us rural customers that don't have decent Internet so streaming really isn't an option. Considering the best internet connection I can get is a 4Mbps/512Kbps DSL line I won't be streaming anytime soon.
     
  20. l'Aucherie

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    I'm in Pittsburgh and get the HD locals from 129. These are also available on 61.5 which for me is blocked by trees. When 129 is dropped in January, I find it hard to believe that Dish will continue to carry Pittsburgh HD locals on both arcs and will logically opt for the eastern one. If so, it will be require that I consider my options other than Dish as cutting down the trees is simply not possible.
     

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