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Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by gary s, Jul 18, 2003.

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  1. Jul 27, 2003 #81 of 103
    Jacob S

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    Thats what I was thinking that it was a bit off topic because everytime I go to check it, its not about what I would think it is about.
     
  2. Jul 28, 2003 #82 of 103
    Unthinkable

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    LOL! Are you for real? I mean seriously. I respond line for line, paragraph for paragraph to virtually every inane point you make wasting way more time then you are worth in 3 separate posts above (which you never directly responded to btw - Pot. Kettle. Black.) and you are throwing another patented tantrum of yours, because I didn't go back and re-post all your quotes where you lash out at others including the admins on here?

    Lets make this as simple as possible in recapping your hospitality to date which is to quote you now "never without being provoked".

    1) Your very fist thread titled: Sad Panda :( Dishplayer 721: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=16186

    has posters all over wondering why you spent 500 plus dollars on a top of the line receiver you never fully researched properly in advance along with posters like Big Bob and Tampa8 correctly cautioning others not to feed the troll. They had it exactly right with that early assessment judging by all your followup posts since then. Many of which now appear to be deleted - imagine that. Anyways, sometimes those troll lables end up being premature or entirely incorrect in the end, but in this instance they were absolutely bang on.

    2) TiredofComplainers registers as a guest and unknowingly captures the very spirit of your essence with a single post back on 6/26 in the following thread:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=15800&page=2&pp=30

    "It never ceases to amaze me how many people use this board to complain endlessly. I have had a 721 since 10/02 and have been very happy with it. It is more stable now than it was then and they have added new features (slow motion, etc) to the receiver which was not on the original spec sheet for the receiver. They are giving us these features 'for free'...patience - patience. The fact that it is over-the-air upgradeable is a bonus and shouldn't be taken for granted.

    Don't get me wrong, I am definitely looking forward to future software revisions that add more capability, and improve stability, but I don't lose sleep over it. What I have now works VERY well. I have recommended Dish PVRs to family members and friends and at least one has bought a 508 and has been very happy with it...

    Obviously you have the right to complain. You also have the right to buy another product. I am just taking advantage here of my right to voice a counter opinion to the complainers. I am of the opinion that there are many board lurkers like myself who feel the same way, we just tend not to be vocal about it."

    Incredibly, he pegs every moral fiber of your being without even realizing it at the time in 4 short paragraphs. You evolve into everything he is sick to death of seeing on here and folks start taking issue with all the tiresome redundancies on your part..
     
  3. Jul 28, 2003 #83 of 103
    Unthinkable

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    3) July 10th Inaba shows his true colors with some real doozies in dbronstein's thread titled "One reason Dish PVR's are better then Tivo.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=16452

    Lets recap here. I post my opinion to Karl F that name-based recording is a bit overrated. Not a word of it ever said to you mind you now, and you in turn respond with the beginning of a whole slew of wrong assumptions and personal attacks. I used to work with and sell Tivo's and Ultimate Tv's every day in a previous satellite provider job, but don't let that get in the way of your unfounded arguments below:

    "You may not find it useful (you've probably never used it, thus you have no idea what you are missing.) - but the fact that nearly everyone who's used a name based recording type PVR mentions that the Dish PVRs suck because they lack this feature bellies that it's YOU who are in the minority, not the people wanting this feature.... So it may not be a big deal to you, but those of us who've used name based recording before will go kicking and screaming back to the stone age of VCR's and Dish's PVR. Hi! Welcome to the 90's."

    Step back and look at yourself here in a neutral light here if you would. You're well off the path of goodwill that most posters tend to gravitate towards and appear to be completely paralyzed by a resounding all-encompassing inferiority complex. Endless confrontations with insecurity would logically support your repeated lashing outs, but that is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. Back to your first response to me though. We have an all caps YOU and a parting shot about me living in another generation among other unmentionables before I've ever typed a single word to you on here. That doesn't jive at all with your continued assertions that your personal attacks were always provoked in advance does it? Amazingly enough, you attempt to spin this nonsense like a Bullworth politician here, but no one following our threads over time is buying a single word of it whether you want to accept it as fact or not.

    Other good will highlights posted by yourself to a whole group of different posters here:

    "I really don't understand where you can even say some of the things you've said with a straight face... How many minutes per day do you spend perusing the guide? I'll bet it's more than "next to no time at all."

    "The only ones that seem thick here are the people arguing against increasing the functionality of the Dish PVRs, such as yourself."

    "Again, I've used the different PVRs, unliike (apparently) you and the others who are crying about adding additinoal functionality - I _know_ what I'm talking about, whereas you do not. If you have used the other PVRs extensively, and you still cling to your outmoded beliefs, great! More power to you... but like I've said several times in this thread, everyone who's used other PVRs features and have found them lacking in the 721 agree with me. No one who's used the features in question agrees with you. So where does that leave us?

    "You go about living in your 20th century world, I prefer to move along with the rest of life into the 21st century. If that makes me obtuse, so be it... but hey, at least I won't have to paw through the EPG every day to find shows I want."

    "It's pointless to argue with Dish zealots (Or any hardware/software zealot... Mac/Apple, DTV, etc...). They can't see the forest for the trees, and they go so far as to tell you that you're obtuse for wanting additional features added to a product... It's all about passion, and there's no room for logic or common sense when arguing with people like that."

    "It always facinates me how people think they can talk about a product with authority that they've never used... the Dish zealots who obviously have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, attemping to speak with authority on features of other PVRs, how useful a feature is, what's needed and what isn't, when they've never even sat down and used one is utterly ridiculous, and gives them exactly zero credibility on anything they say. But to a zealot, it makes no difference... it's all about justifying your choice of hardware (or software), no matter how ridiculous the position. If it makes 'em feel better about spending obscene amounts of money on an albatross, fine... they can have thier piece of mind. Fortunately, I don't feel the need to justify my purchases in that manner... and if I make a bad choice (or it's my only choice) - then so be it. I'll do better next time (I hope!)"

    "I assume this poll was put up in response to the other thread and my ongoing debate. The added option I'm speaking of is the entire point of what started the debate in the other thread. The people that are happy with the 721 right now have (I suspect) not used other PVRs extensively."

    "I am officially done with you. Your sole purpose in life is to start flame wars, and argue with me. I will not be responding to your posts any longer. You've demonstrated in the other thread that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and you have no ability to understand what a "fact" is.

    Thank you for your time, and effort, but please drive through and let intelligent people come and go as they please, no one needs your fanaticism."

    End of conversation."

    -Blatant over-generalizing. Check.
    -Repeated incorrect assumptions. Check.
    -Attitude, pompous arrogance, and condescention. Check.
    -Endless rants played like a broken record. Check.
    -False claims, false accusations, rampant misnomers and sophistry. Check.

    Looks like you've gone back and deleted a bunch of posts which echoed your same rants over and over again along with your swipes at the admins in the efforts to come off a whole lot nicer in retrospect, but they were here for all to see and take note of at one point in time. Anything else I failed to directly respond to now? Your turn to respond to all my points both above and here now if we are going to play the "you didn't answer my one paragraph game". Try doing it without all the insults this time. Take it for what its worth; you end up not looking like a complete jackass when you respond to others without all the unnecessary personal insults, backhanded swipes, false proclamations of superiority/owning others in debates/I'm smarter then you's etc...

    Apologies in advance to all the posters who have called for a quick end to this thread, but with all due respect here, when a persons integrity gets questioned, I'm not going to sit idly by and watch a character assassination attempt go on without the proper response. I'm done here. Back to focusing on other more relevant subjects.
     
  4. Jul 28, 2003 #84 of 103
    RLMesq

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    Geez, this is far more amusing than those expensive WWF wrestling pay-per-view shows.

    Pass the popcorn... [​IMG]
     
  5. Jul 28, 2003 #85 of 103
    johnsbin

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    Speaking of new features, is there a way add a feature to this discussion board that will hide certain posters names when you want to just look for helpful information?

    ;)
     
  6. Jul 28, 2003 #86 of 103
    Chris Blount

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    Yes! Click on the "UserCP" icon towards the top of the page and then click "Buddy/Ignore List". By placing someone on your ignore list, their posts will not be displayed.
     
  7. Jul 28, 2003 #87 of 103
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    Finally! It seems you grew a pair and were able to respond to me with at least *something.* It's too bad you're still outright *lying* when it comes time for you to make your point.

    I fail to see how my response to you was an attack. Unless you consider the "Hi! Welcome to the 90's" an attack, if so, then guilty as charged and I apologize. That was not meant to be an attack at all.

    The "YOU," was put there for emphasis, and I won't apologize for that. It was not an attack, and no reasonable person would classify it as such.


    I didn't quote all those "quotes" from me. But once again, your constant spinning of the topics to make yourself look better is laughable. You didn't put those with who and what I was responding to... and if you had, they'd look exactly like they were intended. Responses to people. The more vitrolic ones were responses to either you or Randy_B after one of the two of you had spouted off your nonesense and/or jihad against my talking down of the 721.

    *shrug* once again, you need to provide credible proof I've attacked someone prior to them attacking me. With the exception of the "Hi welcome to the 90's," which I still don't feel was an attack, but I can understand why you might take it as such... you've provided nothing so far.

    I have deleted _NOTHING_. Not a single thing. I am not you. Do not project your feelings of inadequancy upon me. You are the only liar in this thread (as far as I know).

    You've lied before, with the "it's no big deal" or is it "Huge?" You've lied or misdirected about things you've said previously, in an obvious effort to cover up your previous statements. And now, you're blatantly lying again. It's pretty pathetic when you have to resort to lying about your debate opponent to try to make him look bad. Perhaps you are a politician?

    Please, by all means have a moderator/admin check the backups for any posts by me that might have been deleted. In fact, we wouldn't even have to go that far. If I supposedly deleted a lot of posts, there'd be responses to those posts with no apparent post from me that's being responded to. Surely at least 1 person would have responded to me, and then my post disappears and that persons response is left hanging.

    Find me just ONE of those, and I'll concede your point. Until then, you, sir, are a bald faced liar.

    Since you've got a history of lying, and it appears that you have little clue as to what you're talking about... I'd wager you're also lying about selling anything but Dish PVR's. You may or may not have sold those, I don't know...

    Did I miss anything in my response to you? If I did, I'll be sure to fix that right up.
     
  8. Jul 28, 2003 #88 of 103
    BobMurdoch

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    At the top of each page is 6 buttons, the first of which says "user cp"

    Click on that and click on the tab for buddy/ignore list.

    Add the offending/irritating parties/trolls to your ignore list and enjoy stress free surfing. Enjoy!
     
  9. Jul 28, 2003 #89 of 103
    Randy_B

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    Chris, you guys are magicians. I gotta look around the control panel more often. Just one more DBSTalk feature you have to love. Great!
     
  10. Jul 28, 2003 #90 of 103
    Jacob S

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    When you do click on the ignore a user feature, will it also ignore the posts that they have made along with their pm's? How does it work exactly? Also is there a way to ignore certain users posts in a certain thread only?

    Also is there a way to view those that have ignored you?
     
  11. Jul 28, 2003 #91 of 103
    BobMurdoch

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    Yes, don't know, no, no.
     
  12. Jul 28, 2003 #92 of 103
    gary s

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    I just noticed that on the PVR list of recorded events on the 721 you can sort by date (which I believe is the normal setting) or sort by name. If you sort by name, isn't this a form of "folders". With sort by name it appears to list the shows in alphabetical order with shows of the same name being listed by date. One thing that's not so good about it is that it lists all shows that start with "The", like "The Dead Zone", under T. It seems this could be useful for those that record a lot of shows of the same programs and don't watch them for a while.
     
  13. Jul 28, 2003 #93 of 103
    falsie

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    C'mon Inaba; C'mon Unthinkable---Let's call a truce. Even the Israelis and Palestinians are making some progress. All of us are really interested in DishPVRs, or we wouldn't be here. Without either of you flaming the other or even "making nice," can we simply get back to the subject? Please.
     
  14. Jul 28, 2003 #94 of 103
    Jacob S

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    gary s, I do think it is a folder in a sense, only instead of having it as a folder, it is as a selection. I use this feature all of the time as it is one very handy feature, a must have.
     
  15. Jul 28, 2003 #95 of 103
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    And it certainly eases the program hunt when you get past 60 hrs of shows on the HD. I wonder if there is a way to search within the PVR events? That coud be kinda handy.
     
  16. Jul 29, 2003 #96 of 103
    Unthinkable

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    Allow me to break it down in simpler terms for you to understand a bit better then. Your initial responses to myself were more inline with establishing an opening repoire with rampant sarcasm coupled with shouting in all caps and healthy insertions of condescension and holier-then-thou attitude when I posted a rather simple opinion to someone else regarding how essential a certain Tivo feature is. You replied to others on here in the same exact undiplomatic manner to the point where you started typecasting and stereotyping other knowledgable posters as "Dish Zealots" who have nothing better to do with their lives then to praise Dish Network 24-7 and always justify their purchases no matter how bad they wind up being in the end.

    I seem to recall a whole lot more of the same ol' same ol' 721 rants from you that didn't come up in the searches I ran the other night and I missed your digs at Scott G. and a few others in retrospect, but it was late at night and could be the search feature not retrieving all the results as its supposed to. I know on a separate forum I frequent everyday which uses the same exact software as this one, their search feature also has issues not retrieving all the desired results from time to time so who knows. In 5,500 posts over there, I can't recall anyone ever calling me a liar before over an opinion of mine on the importance of name-based recordings changing over the course of many months and the transition from 501 to 721 with a much quicker and user serviceable program guide as you've done here though.

    Just like with DSL or a cable internet connection, folks are freed to spend a whole lot less time online as opposed to beforehand when they can do everything they used to do with dialup in a fraction of the time as before. The guide in my 721 is quite fast and allows me to see everything on all my HBO's over the next six hours in just seconds and a few right arrow button presses. Same with all the other channels I regularly record. It really isn't such a big deal to me anymore as my regular shows rarely ever switch time slots and when they do I can oftentimes catch them aired later. Have you ever changed an opinion about a movie, book, event, person etc... you once hated or loved after the fact? If so, then you are as guilty as I am about being a bold faced "liar". Hell, I have female friends who change their opinions on matters far more pressing then stuff like this several times a day over on the same subjects. What would you call them out of curiousity and by your own logic here, what would you call your closest family members and loved ones changing and evolving differing opinons over time? BTW, how much do I win and get to collect on for your wager about me selling Dish PVR's? I worked for Dish Network's competition and have never once sold anything Dish related. Are you starting to spot any alarming trends with your general assumptions yet Inaba? I know I sure as hell am.
     
  17. Jul 29, 2003 #97 of 103
    Bob Haller

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    Why not take this dispute private or better yet just meet and duke it out?
     
  18. Jul 29, 2003 #98 of 103
    Scott Greczkowski

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    Can we get this on PPV? I wanna tape it on my 721 so I can enjoy it again and again and again. :D
     
  19. Jul 29, 2003 #99 of 103
    RLMesq

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    I have to agree. I mean, put this in perspective:

    THE PVR721 IS A DEVICE TO RECORD TV SHOWS, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

    Time to hang up the Star Trek uniform and come back to reality.
     
  20. Unthinkable

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    Not a problem falsie. Consider it done. I don't take too kindly to folks calling me a liar though and have never been one to be shy about offering up opinions no matter what they may be. I've attempted to help other posters on here quite a bit in my days as a member here fwiw. Generally I'm the guy who never gets involved in the flame wars irregardless of subject matter.
     
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