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721 vs. 510/08/01

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by garypen, May 27, 2004.

Which do you prefer: 721 or 510 (Actual users of both models only, please.)

  1. I prefer the 721.

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  2. I prefer the 510.

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  3. I have no preference.

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  1. Ron Barry

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    As of 5pm tonight, I have replaced a 508 with a 721. I have not had a lot of time on the 721, but it did take a while to come up the first time and I had some remote issues. It felt like I was kickign starting it. ;) I think the problem was mainly I was not patient enough to let the box initialize itself.

    THe Font size is a lot smaller than the 508 so if you have bad eyes, keep your 508. I do like the overall look better and the PIP and 2nd tuner is going to help a lot for me.. Give me a few days and I will have a better opinion. Going to have to see if I can find those checkboxes.. ;)

    The info on the Guide is a welcome addition too. Buttons are much smaller.

    Overall I am glad I ran the 2nd cable. I would not put a lot of weight to Applieds issues. I had similar problems, but it was out of the box experience and it was with older software 1.19 that I had mine. Be intersting what Applieds thoughts are one week later after the box has settled in.
     
  2. TomCat

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    But they are battling down to the wire for worst won-lost record in the Natl. League. It's a little less embarrasing to be a D-backs fan while Montreal is sucking so badly than if they weren't.

    The deal breaker is the VOD fee. If I had no PVR and was going to get one, I would choose the 721 over the 510 for that reason. The 721 is a Lexus while the 510 is a Camry (as is the 501/8) but if you figure another 180 bucks in VOD over the life of the unit for a 510, that Camry actually ends up costing more than the Lexus.

    Apply that to the 508 vs. 721, and you have a harder choice, because in either case you get what you pay for. The extra features on the 721 validate its extra cost. VOD can't be justified no matter what the argument is.

    As for stability, the 50x platform has been pretty rock-solid now for some time. I bought a 501 on day one, so I have lived through all of the fires of hell regarding its evolution, which was nothing but ugly. But now, it is a rock. The 721 had a few growing pains, too, but it is pretty solid as well. Still not as mature or solid as the 50x, but definitely getting there. Unfortunately, neither enjoys the nearly instant reliability that Replay or Tivo enjoyed, but I still much prefer DISH PVR's to anything out there, warts and all. There was a time when I couldn't say that, but things change.
     
  3. garypen

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    Sounds like a decent piece of gear. I guess you, and the other kind folks, have talked me into it. Now, I wonder if I can get a DPP44 with it, so I don't have to run another feed through the wall?
     
  4. Ron Barry

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    Well here is a bit more that I have found on the 721 vs. 508. The 721 on my TV is actually get clipped. I think this is because I have a older TV set and the 721 uses more of the screen than the 508. This is a minor inconvience. The Dual tuner feature is well integrated with the exception that I could not find a way to switch back and forth without going to PIP. Would be nice if there was a button to toggle between the tuners.

    General Font size is smaller so if this is a concern don't jump. Having a dual Tuner PVR in the bedroom is great. No more conflict watching survivor and apprentice for next season if they conflict. Like TomCat said... No Brainer. (How.. with my upstar 508 ever once in a while it decides to stop recording the events I have set up so my rock has a whole in it.... Reboot fixes this issue.)

    As for reliability, I know that Tivo/Reply have a better reputation on this department but I am not sure how accurate that statement is when comparing a 721 vs. Reply/Tivo. To bad there is not a reliability lab testing all this equipment to quantify this view. From the user reports I have read with the exception of a few 721 users and one in particular, the 721 is stable in general.

    The reason I said "In General" is that I am sure some would disagree. There is an opinion that DirecTV boxes are more stable than Dish. I was talking to the neighbor across the street that has 6 DirecTV receivers and he was telling me some horry stories about how all his receivers expect the family room crash. He is one phone call from trashing DirectTV and going with another provider (No I did not push him to Dish). If I was just using him as a baramoter, I would think DirecTV sucks which is not the case at all. Always good to get a deverse set of opinions when changing.
     
  5. garypen

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    I actually found a solution for that with my 510: If anyone in my household tunes to either the Apprentice or Survivor, I smack them in the head with it. It works pretty well.
     
  6. Ron Barry

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    Yes but your solution costs you an extra 10 bucks if you don't have AEP. ;)
     
  7. garypen

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    It's worth it.
     
  8. Slaylock

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    I appreciate everyone who has posted their impressions to this thread. I currently have a Dishplayer 7100, and I'm very tempted to upgrade to a 721.

    I enjoyed looking at the screenshots of the 508 interface that were posted earlier in this thread, and I was wondering if anyone knows where I might find similar screenshots for the 721.
     
  9. Ron Barry

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    I did a quick look last night on my 721 in regards to the Lock features here is what I could find.

    They do provide a Hide Adult feature. I did not see anyway of hiding locked channels. There was the ability to lock on Rating and on some key words but no ability to hide all lock channels.

    Another annoyance was when you set up your favorites it does not show what channels you are not subscribed to. This makes it rather confusing and a little more complicated. Not a huge deal, but something I do no perfer.

    I could not find a way to swap tuner without going through PIP. There is a swap button on the remote and I expected pushing it would changed the tuner inputs. I was suprised it did not.
     
  10. Ron Barry

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    Also Gary.. There is Video inputs in the front of the 721 that map to channel 0 like the 811. I have not tried these yet but it does help. I plan on using them watch some movies I have still in my existing 508. ;)
     
  11. Ron Barry

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    Try

    http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/fel/721/index.html
     
  12. garypen

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    Can you record from this front panel input? I'd like to move some stuff from my 510 onto the new 721, if possible.
     
  13. Ron Barry

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    I would expect you to be able to.. I can give it a try since I am set up to be able to tonight and get back to you tomorrow unless someone else has already tried this out.
     
  14. garypen

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    Excellent. Thanks. Mrs. Gary would be quite upset if I lost her American Idol and Ryan Seacrest eps. (OTOH, I wouldn't mind getting the hdd space back. Don't tell her, OK?)
     
  15. Ron Barry

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    You can only watch on the video input on the front of the 721. You can not record and after doing this experiment it became obvious why not. The 721 does not have an MPEG-2 encoder. It can only decode and that is why you cannot record from the front input. A technical reason for once. ;)
     
  16. garypen

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    That makes sense! Thanks.
     
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