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921 - L211 Software Release Notes and Discussion

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by Mark Lamutt, Dec 7, 2004.

  1. Michael P

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    It's my understanding that you need to keep a satellite dish connected in order for the OTA receivers to work. With the 6000 it was reported that you lost the OTA when rain fade happened. This is a dangerous situation, for the cloud that's causing the rain fade might be severe weather heading your way. Only OTA can deliver your local forcast.

    Hopefully they built-in some fudge factor on the 921 that allows continuous OTA reception if the dish signal drops out. Fortunately for me, I see 3 orbital locations 119, 110, and 61.5. When I do experience rain fade, it is usually from only one or two orbital locations. 61.5 is southeast while the other two are southwest. The only other issue is snow fade. Again usually only one dish is covered to the point where reception is affected.
     
  2. jsanders

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    That is simply not true. I have a 6000 which I deactivated when I got my 921. I got OTA reception as long as it saw the satellite when the 6000 was powered. If it was already powered, I could unplug the satellite inputs and OTA reception still worked. The only scenario where OTA would stop working is if I cycled the power on the 6000. In that scenario, it needed to see the satellite again before I could use the OTA transmission.
     
  3. gpflepsen

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    For Dish, that is a design bug. It shouldn't do that. :)
     
  4. StevenD

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    I have no idea what to do now. I STILL do not have the L2.11 update. I did a "Factory Defaults" reset last Thursday and then left town for 4 days. Dish ATS just keeps telling me to wait. But I know of nobody else that still had L1.88.

    Does Dish need to send me a new receiver?
     
  5. n0qcu

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    With all the problems I've had since L2.11 I think you're lucky you haven't got it yet.
     
  6. Mark Lamutt

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    Steven, email me your contact info, along with a summary of everything you've tried to do, and I'll send it to the 921 support team. You definitely should have gotton it long before now.
     
  7. StevenD

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    Well, Dish is sending me a new 921. We shall see what happens...
     
  8. HD921

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    Mark, When are the 211 release notes going to post?
     
  9. Mark Lamutt

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    Steven - good. I'm glad they got back to you.

    HD921 - no idea if I'll even get them at this point. More important things are happening at Eldon, working on getting the next release into beta so that it can get out to you all ASAP.
     
  10. Eagles

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    Mark, you brought it up, so I'll ask the question
    :lol: ETA on the next release? Days, Weeks, Months?
     
  11. Mark Lamutt

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    I have no idea, Eagles. (Yes, really)
     
  12. Eagles

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    Well it's good to hear that they are working on it, and maybe with a sense of urgency.
     
  13. TonyB

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    Mark,
    I hope they know, that the disappointment and ANGER over the OTA guide this time is nothing to what will happen next time if it does not fix it next time around. Users of this site I'm sure are assuming (big time) that the next release will:
    a) make OTA guide work without subscribing to Locals
    b) Hopefully contain the latest video drivers for the blue line, although I haven't seen much said on this (mine was fixed with 211)

    I'm sure there are other small fixes, but none that rate as high as the EPG thing. Since you are waiting for a beta, I guess they really did HEAR load and clear what we all said.

    Please signal in the best way you can whether we will be :) or :mad:

    Thanks,
     
  14. Mark Lamutt

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    They heard loud and clear. That doesn't mean anything will happen with it, though. I know what direction I hope they take, but Charlie/Jim et al only know what direction they ARE going to take with it.
     
  15. Ron Barry

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    I would put the Jitter problem well above the OTA EPG issue personally. This problem has caused missed programs and instability into the box. I am having to reboot a lot. I would think missed recorded shows would be well above the two issues mentioned and would be considered P1.
     
  16. keitheva

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    I vigorously second this. The video jitter problem is a serious regression.

    With L188 my 921 was working more-or-less as advertised, and I was more-or-less happy with it. With L211 I now have a box where live TV is sometimes watchable, sometimes not; may or may not make watchable recordings; and requires frequent reboots. i.e. I've gone from a fairly reliable and useful piece of equipment, to a very unreliable and somewhat useless one, and I am most certainly not happy with it.

    I was prepared to accept the wait and incremental improvements that we saw over the past year as each step did seem to make things better (mostly), but L211 is a giant step backwards. I'd much rather forego the OTA guide to get back to box that I can rely on to watch live and recorded HD TV, which is what I paid $1000 for in the first place. My patience is now wearing very thin.

    Mark - this video jitter problem is serious and is affecting many users, do you know if Eldon is acutely aware of it? And if not, can you help make them so? Thanks for any help.

    Cheers,
    -Keith
     
  17. awp

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    Mark,

    How do you mix the inputs from your 3 rooftop OTA UHF antennas? I'm considering doing the same thing. I would think simply mixing them would result in multipath distortion from the antennas not directly pointed to the transmitter towers. Do you use notch filters for each channel?

    - Andy
     
  18. Mark Lamutt

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    I don't - three lines out to 3 receivers basically (well, actually a couple of splitters and A-B switches in 2 of the lines).
     
  19. FaxMan

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    I guess the 'Advanced Tech' that I got shuffled off to while trying to get the OTA guide question on the air during the Charlie Chat was mistaken about his very strong assertion that an update would go out tonight with a fix.... Imagine that. :rolleyes:
     
  20. jsanders

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    Hi Andy,

    We are getting a bit off topic here, but, I use 2 rooftop antennas. First, you want a higly directional antenna to start with, that is the best way to reduce multipath. Second, the spacing between the antennas has to be large enough to reduce interference (based on frequency of lowest frequency channel you want to receive, for me it was VHF channel 2). Third, make sure the cable lengths going from the antennas to your combiner/slitter are the same length, that also helps reduce multipath. In my case, I used a band pass filter, and a notch filter, however, this may not be necessary. It depends on your personal setup.
     

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