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942 Extend Guide doesnt all fit on screen

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by Paradox-sj, Apr 29, 2005.

  1. StevenZ

    StevenZ Mentor

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    Yup. According to the HDNet test patterns, using DVI out, and without any adjustment, my Samsung HLP4674 has Top/Bottom/Left/Right overscan of:
    2/4/5/5% in Expand mode
    4/7/8/9% in Wide TV mode

    4:3 and Wide PC modes have underscan, but I wouldn't watch in those modes.

    Like I said a few posts earlier, Expand minimizes (i.e., doesn't eliminate) overscan and lets me see seven equal-sized lines of the extended guide. But it's not available with a component connection.

    [Boy, will I feel stupid if there are more than 7 lines in the extended guide :lol: ]
     
  2. Paradox-sj

    Paradox-sj AllStar/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    It's been said that the HDNET test patterns are incorrect...not sure how true it is though.

    Last night I went to adjust my over scan with my Avia disk and with a 480p/16:9 setting its sitting a 3.5% L/R and 4% top/bottom....

    And the gudie still doesnt fit. So am I doing something wrong? I mean according to the Avia disk 3-5% is the optimal setting.

    I brought up the guide while i was tweaking and to make it fit I would have to do some serious distorting of the screen and and give up a lot of real estate.

    This cant be right can it?
     
  3. Beer Kahuna

    Beer Kahuna AllStar

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    In reply #26, Mark said:

    I spent the last week learning all I could about adjusting my set for overscan and other screen adjustments in the service menu. Here is what I found:

    - Although I could adjust my set to display the entire EPG, when adjusted and properly centered there was underscan on the bottom of several HD channels (mostly VOOM channels - Rave, Equator, Rush)

    - Now that I can see what the bottom of the program guide looks like, I can say IMHO it is positioned too close to the bottom of the screen field. There is room to the top of the guide to shift everything up a little so it should be moved.

    - So, for now I have my set adjusted so the bottom edge of the bottom row of text (in a 2 text row guide listing) is just sitting on the lower edge of my screen. At this setting I have a small black line on some of the HD channels mentioned above. All of my SD channels look OK (the 20 or so I checked) and the E* HD channels all seem to be OK. It's just (some of) the Voom channels.

    So, now what?
     
  4. DRJDAN

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    E-Bay would be good outlet for those old CRT based HDTV's. Sell now while the value is still reasonable. I purchased an inexpensive all in one Sony DVD-receiver-speakers a year ago to gain an understanding of Dobly 5.1. Paid about $500 and sold on E-bay last month of for $250. The $250 net cost allowed me to better understand my needs so when I purchased a free standing receiver, DVD and speakers. It ending up saving me way more than the $250 cost.
     
  5. Beer Kahuna

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    Point taken but there are a couple problems with that.

    1) The picture quality of a good CRT based RPTV is superior IMHO to many of the "new technology" sets I've seen. Blacker blacks, higher detail, and tighter space between pixels to name a few. So they're a little bigger and, like a Ferrari, harder to tune. Oh well! When I find a 60"+ flat panel hi-res (read 1080p) wall mount unit with awesome picture for under $5,000, I'm an instant owner. Until then, I'll tweak what I have.

    2) The other point missed is: the 942 has image alignment/geometry issues in and of itself. I just want E* (and Mark) to acknowledge and address them.

    I have pictures to post which illustrate what I'm talking about and hope to post them tonight. (I'm at work and forgot my camera at home today - DOH!)
     
  6. DRJDAN

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    Beer Kahuna,

    I have a friend that has an CRT HD RPTV and one of the issues I notice it that you have to sit directly in front of it and at a single sitting verical level for good picture. Outside of the sweet spot it looks a little fussy. I have a Sony LCD RPTV that my wife and I each sit at a 45 degree angle and can see it just as well as when guests sit on a couch or the floor in front of it. The TV is in the corner of the room is why we sit at 45 degrees.

    I agree with you on the 942 adjustment options. I had a little cut off and solved it with adjusting my tv.
     
  7. Mark Lamutt

    Mark Lamutt Your Neighborhood Liasion

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    There's no doubt that the picture position could be better with the 942, and that the extended guide is too large on the screen. I would love to see position adjustments available like with the 6000. Size adjustments are much harder, and if you've ever worked with the program Powerstrip, you know why. You lose vertical sync very easily, making even the smallest changes to the size of the image.
     
  8. Beer Kahuna

    Beer Kahuna AllStar

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    True enough although some are better than others. The Sony WV700 series is much better with this than most CRT RPTV's but not as good as a LCD/Plasma and the like. I have 4 pretty good seats in the "sweet spot" so I can live with it.

    That's all I'm saying. The average E* subscriber doesn't know some of these forums even exist, let alone navigate through them to learn what to do. Adjusting the TV picture in the service menu I'm sure is WAY out of reach for the "VCR still blinks 12:00" crowd.
     
  9. Paradox-sj

    Paradox-sj AllStar/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    I adjust my overscan down to .5 - 1% on all sides and it still wont fit. In my case it is not the overscan it IS the position of the image.

    For testing purposes I put the overscan to a negitive position and the image was beyond the scope of the project screen.

    So there are NO adjustments that I can make on my TV to get it to fit.
     
  10. Mark Lamutt

    Mark Lamutt Your Neighborhood Liasion

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    Guys, picture adjustments are coming. Don't yet know which release they'll be in, but they're now on the books as a priority "to do" item.
     
  11. Beer Kahuna

    Beer Kahuna AllStar

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    :)

    Thanks Mark! We knew you wouldn't let us down!
     
  12. Mark Lamutt

    Mark Lamutt Your Neighborhood Liasion

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    I had little to do with this one, truth be known...you'd probably be surprised at who reads what you guys write on a daily basis...you're being watched and listened to very closely.
     
  13. Bichon

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    Mega-kudos to those folks for seeing the value of those picture adjustments!
     
  14. gels US

    gels US New Member

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    61" Samsung DLP
    I'm totally new to this forum and hope this is the place to post.

    I have a 942 feeding my 61 sammy with DVI and wonder how to get full screen?? I have no problems with HDTV, but with the rest it leaves bars at the side. When I had VOOM I could stretch the picture from the Voom Box.

    Thanks for any help.
    Cheers,
    Geoffrey
     
  15. Tom-Tx

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    Try the format button on your remote. It is on the bottom left hand side.
     
  16. gels US

    gels US New Member

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    Thank Tom so very much.

    It Worked:)

    I had spoken to a CRS at Dish but of no help!!!

    Geoffrey
     
  17. Paradox-sj

    Paradox-sj AllStar/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    Okay...I've finally found a way to may the extend guide fit...If I change the setting on the HDTV Setup to 480i or 480p the guide fits just fine.

    So I have a big choice to make...do I want the extended guide or do I want to watch HD?
    decisions decisions...LOL
     

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