A Haunting Problem: DVRs doing things all by themselves

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  1. Rich

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    The remotes in IR won't go thru my walls, how could they go thru at least two outside walls? Never mind the distance.

    I've had a lot of bad HDDs, never saw what his folks are seeing but, maybe...

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  2. slice1900

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    I assume he was talking about IR going through windows. If your house is close enough and you can see your neighbor's TV from one of the windows you could mess with them. Hard to see it happening accidentally though, a lot would have to line up exactly!
     
  3. longrider

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    One note on networking, the fact the HRs are hardwired is not relevant if there is WiFi on the same network. Granted you can setup the WiFi as a guest network with no access to wired network but that is rare for the homeowner. You want things like using a phone/tablet to control the DVR, printing to wired printers, etc. However f the WiFi has a good password then you should be fine
     
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    And the remote would have to reach out about 75 feet. Don't see that happening. Not with walls between the receivers and the remotes.

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    Not sure what that means. Does that mean Wifi can affect the receivers even if they are hardwired? I don't see how, but I'm willing to learn. I have no idea what's causing those problems in that house.

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    Unless you set up the WiFi as a Guest network (which most homeowners will not do for their own use) anything connected to the WiFi is on the same network as the wired devices on that router. An excellent example of this is the DirecTV iPad app. The iPad is on WiFi while your DVR is wired but they can still talk to each other
     
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    Can you disconnect the HR24 for a couple of days and see if the problem goes away? There is a very obscure but known bug (hardware) on the Hr24-500 where something interferes with the touch panel itself. Usually manifests itself by the cursor going crazy and scanning up/down the lists without the user doing anything (and with the batteries removed from the controller) or by doing a "select" in random locations. I see this myself about once every few months. One user found they could make it happen more often by using their amateur radio setup, seemed to be RF related.
     
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    Please bear with me, I just can't see how Wifi would affect the hardwired receiver.

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    I had a 24-500 that did that and more. Never saw an explanation of why that happened. Thanx.

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    Hah! A classic case where wrapping in tinfoil is the answer!
     
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    You really have to see a 24-500 go berserk to appreciate what happens. I kept that thing for weeks just for kicks. I don't have the words to describe it.

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    Berserk is the word...most people did not believe me.
     
  13. slice1900

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    Well, if the windows are such that you can see your neighbor's TV out your window and through his while sitting on your couch, it would only need to pass through a couple of windows, no walls at all.

    I've seen housing developments (common in Vegas for whatever reason, maybe because people see no reason to waste money on yards they don't use much?) where the houses are only 10 feet apart. That remote signal might only need to travel 30 feet, which isn't much of a stretch. I agree with you about 75 feet, you'd need to have a pretty high powered output on your remote to get that far.

    In a lot of areas the houses are pretty close to the street, so anyone that has a big window in the front of the house where you can see their TV as you walk by would allow taking a remote when you walk the dog and amuse yourself by changing channels for them. Put MSNBC on for the people who have republican yard signs, FOX for the people who have democrat yard signs, and wait for the conspiracy theories to begin sweeping the neighborhood :tearsofjoy:
     
  14. longrider

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    I am not sure how to explain this but on a given router, in 99% of residential installations, while the wired and WiFi are 2 separate physical networks they are joined in the router into one logical network. All devices will have an address of (example only) 192.168.1.x with x being unique to each device. All the devices can talk to each other. You said that the network being discussed has a strong password so this would be irrelevant but it is very possible
     
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    My son patted me down looking for the remote I had to have on me. Nada. Then he searched the couch. Nada. All the time he was searching the 24-500 just kept on being wacky. Showed it to a couple other people, nobody could believe what they saw. Weird. I've always wondered why that happened, thanx for clearing that up.

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    Still baffled. I don't recall my PC ever showing on the routers' maps. That computer has always been hardwired. I gotta look next time I go into the routers' software. I thought I had all this figured out, now...I dunno.

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  17. longrider

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    Here is what you should see, note all devices are on the same subnet. I do hardwire everything I can, that is why you see so many wired devices
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    I have to go into my main router, I think Netgear does it differently. But, let's get back to the "Haunting". Can you see how that could happen? Do you think that system's Wifi has been hacked and someone is playing with the HRs somehow? I know Wifi can be hacked, but to do that to HRs?

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  19. longrider

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    Assuming the neighbor has connected to your friends WiFi and the neighbor has a DirecTV DVR then he absolutely could do what you describe. One way to check without a serious inconvenience would be to turn off the ability to delete programs remotely. If programs stop disappearing you found the issue
     
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    I am of course referring to the internet WiFi, if the system is a Genie and wireless Minis that wireless connection would be very hard to hack
     

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