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Adobe admits using technology to block attempts at counterfeiting

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Steve Mehs, Jan 16, 2004.

  1. Steve Mehs

    Steve Mehs Hall Of Fame

    Mar 21, 2002
    I heard rumblings about this before, but caught the whole thing on Tech TV today. Adobe and Jasc have both implemented a security feature in the new versions of Photoshop and PSP that prevent the scanning of the new $20 bills. Like anything digital, there are already probably ways to get around it with various tricks or patches. With that aside, what do you think of this?
  2. Bogy

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    Mar 23, 2002
    Counterfeiters are stealing from all of us. I have to wonder about the people who are angry about this.
  3. djlong

    djlong Hall Of Fame

    Jul 8, 2002
    New Hampshire
    This one incident in and of itself isn't too bad - but it's a camel's nose in the tent.

    What if the government told Adobe to put in back-doors for PDF files that has "seditious content"? How about making software that would not allow dissemination of information on controversial topics?

    It's a *bad* precedent.
  4. Bogy

    Bogy Hall Of Fame

    Mar 23, 2002
    OTOH, it's not necessarily a precedent. Just because Adobe agrees with the government that using their product to make your own money does not mean they would be so willing to accommodate the government in any and all requests.
  5. firephoto

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    Sep 12, 2002
    It doesn't work, I don't remember the specifics but I believe you can paste the image of the money in or something else. There was a specific way it was processed to determine if it was money or not. All current US currency doesn't copy or scan very good due to the way the design is, the curved lines in the ovals get reversed and distorted when copied scanned. You'd have to not be paying attention to take a phony bill anyway, there are very few "good" fakes out there. Never trust a store to not pass you one either. Once it hits your hand, you're stuck with it unless u can pass it off on someone else without getting caught.

    I don't know how many people printing fakes are buying the latest photoshop right when it comes out anyway. There's plenty of other programs and probably the quality of the scanners/printers don't make a need for using an editor unless they just use it to get a full page of bills before they print. lol
  6. IanF

    IanF AllStar

    Jan 13, 2004
    The irony is if we change the $20 appearance every couple years, eventually you'll get an installed base of multiple bill versions and it will be a lot easier to pass counterfeits, particularly overseas where they don't see US bills everyday.

    Cashier: "Hey, this bill looks odd."
    Scammer: "Sheeeya! It's that goofy bill they released after the pink one but before the hologram one. Looks terrible; I can understand why they replaced it."
    Cashier: "Huh. Yeah..."
  7. Steve Mehs

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    Mar 21, 2002
    The way they explained it on Tech Live is that even if you scan the $20 into another program and try to paste it into Photoshop it still won't work. I have Photoshop 7, haven't upgraded to CS yet so I can't try it.

    Good point Ian
  8. Mike123abc

    Mike123abc Hall Of Fame/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jul 19, 2002
    This is not new, color copiers and such have always been made to copy at a slightly different size just to hurt counterfitting.
  9. hpman247

    hpman247 AllStar

    Sep 8, 2003
    I agree that counterfeiters are only hurting us honest people, but what if the gov't paid off adobe the have some sort of back way communication between them and us. That would be a violation of our privacy, and i would not be surprised if in the future the gov't will know everything we do, do i see a "Animal Farm" coming up. I sure hope not.
  10. JerryLA

    JerryLA Legend

    Dec 29, 2003
    Having been in the printing business for over 30 years I don't find it a huge surprise that Adobe has taken this action. With the quality of the paper alone used in currency these days it would be quite hard to manufacture believable bills but not impossible. Even if you could scan the image and hold all the detail coming up with suitable inks is another problem in itself. We are using the current Adobe CS programs and although I've never tried scanning in currency it does not surprise me that you would not be able to. Lets face it, in the last 10 years software has become much more sophisticated and at the same time more limited. My company is an authorized Adobe Service Provider and they limit what we can and cannot do with software and even the Adobe logos in our advertising. Years ago, around the time of Photoshop 4 you could buy one copy and install on as many desktops as you wanted. Now even as an "authorized " service provider I am limited to how many units I can install one license on. Is it just me or does this sound very close to "Mr. Bills Microsoft?" It doesn't really bother me that Adobe has made this agreement. Seems to me the only ones concerned are ones that may be tring to do some funny business. I remember when the first really good Xerox Color Copiers came out.... people were copying $20 bills and passing them off to unsuspecting waitresses in bars at closing time. Bottom line, if someone wants to dealve into the business of counterfitting they will find a way, with or without Adobe.
  11. JM Anthony

    JM Anthony Child of the 60's DBSTalk Gold Club

    Nov 16, 2003
    I understand your concerns, but I'm far more concerned about some of our gov't's other actions as well as inactions. I don't see any slippery slope on this one. Taking one more tool out of the hands of crooks is OK with me.

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