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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Steve, Jul 11, 2008.

  1. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    Actually, now that I think about it some more, if you remove the AALL and just search for season premiere or series premiere, that would ask for a match of the exact phrase. So, e.g., only the words "season premiere", in thta order, would be matched, and not a show who's description might be "A panel of sportswriters discusses the premiere pitchers of last season." /steve
     
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    I still don't understand the search mechanism. For example:

    SERIES PREMIERE yields Trick My Truck, Ghost Hunters, Keeping Up With the Kardashians, etc. Those are all SEASON PREMIEREs. Why are they appearing in this SERIES PREMIERE search?
     
  3. Mar 7, 2009 #283 of 605
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    I'm not sure why that's happening. I just tried series premiere and also matched Trick My Truck, and not sure why, because it's described as [...] Series, Season Premiere. All the other 50 or so shows it matched (with GUIDE data through 3/14), were described as Series Premiere, Series.

    The only thing I can think of is we are not seeing all the fields contained in the show info, and in the case of Trick My Truck (and the other shows you matched), maybe there is a hidden "series premiere" field that was matched? Since the other 49 or so matches I got were OK, it looks like the SEARCH is basically working as expected for me, except for that one anomaly. /steve
     
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    Thanks for checking. For me, it is not just one anomaly, it is Trick My Truck, Ghost Hunters, Keeping Up With the Kardashians, and more.
     
  5. Mar 7, 2009 #285 of 605
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    Ya. I just tried it again and picked up Ghost Hunters and KUWTK. When I did it last night, I had just downloaded a CE and I don't believe all the GUIDE data was rebuilt at that time.

    Funny thing is, when I search for season premiere, I get a 100% hit rate, as far as I can tell. Just did it and found about 20 titles out to 3/14, and they all seemed to be fine.

    Looks like SEARCH is trying to work properly, i.e., two or more words (without AANY or AALL) searches only for the exact words in the exact order, so the only thing I can conclude is that either there is a hidden field, or for some odd reason, the search engine interprets the sequence "Series. Season Premiere." as "Series Premiere". I'm gonna report it as an "issue".

    /steve
     
  6. armophob

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    Just as an update. These are not working. I set one up for Showtime and it did not see the upcoming Tudors. So far, none of my combination booleen recording SL savers have produced recordings. I am going to drop them and separate again.
     
  7. Steve

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    I've been downloading CE's every week, and I found about a month or so ago I had to delete mine from the PRIORITIZER and set them up again. Are you running CE's or the NR? /steve
     
  8. inkahauts

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    Kill all your arsls... then go into your recent searches, and erase every one of them...

    then set them up again.. and see what happens...
     
  9. armophob

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    CE's every week. I am going to drop it all together. I cannot keep up with the shows to know if it is working or not. I just want to be sure I catch the recordings. I was complacent because most of the seasons had not started yet. Might be time to get a third HR to get more prioritizer room. It was a good idea, just too much maintenance while we do the CE thing. Thanks.:)
     
  10. Steve

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    My "multi-show" AUTORECORDS seem finally to be working as expected. My only gripe is that the recorded shows all get lumped in to the same folder, which I find annoying.

    If I break them apart, I'm well under the 50 limit (about 35-40 on my "busiest" HR2x's), so I'm probably going to go back to managing them individually. It's a shame, because I found it very convenient to bunch all the "first run" shows on a particular network together and manage their priority as a group. I'm hopeful that DirecTV will take a good look at implementing this Wish List request:

    SEARCH/AUTORECORD matches should be grouped in folders named for the show titles, in SEARCH results or the PLAYLIST.

    /steve
     
  11. dhhaines

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    I noticed the same thing that the autorecords have filled in as expected in the last 24-48 hours. Since I haven't reset my receiver this week I was curious as to why all the sudden they started working.:confused: I wonder if they did something with the guide data this week.

    I agree with you on the folder situation, but right now I need to use the autorecord to keep up with the number of SL I have. If/when they get MRV working between DVR's it won't be as big of a problem.
     
  12. LI-SVT

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    I found this would happen with the rollout of a new NR sometimes. I don't know why but when my box would update the ARSLs would stop. Deleting and recreating them was the only fix. The search part always worked but the results would not get added to the todo list.
     
  13. Steve

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    Came across the post below over in the TiVo Community Forums and decided to see if it had applicability for HR2x users.

    I modified Mr. Tupper's technique and simply NNOT'd one unique keyword from the "generic" description. The SEARCH I constructed was: stewart NNOT slant CCHAN 249, First-Run Only.

    This AUTORECORD resulted in 4 recordings last week: the 11PM showings on 4/6,7,8 and 4/9.

    Putting this out there for those of you that may have issues with similar poorly-described shows, in case it helps. /steve

     
  14. dhhaines

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    Interesting. I'll give this a try. Sometimes search logic doesn't make much common sense but still works. I never would have thought that would work.
     
  15. Steve

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    Same here. :)

    I just fixed the above post. I forgot to add my search was "first run" only.

    /steve
     
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    Thanx for the tip, Steve (and Martin Tupper)! I replaced my SL with the stewart NNOT slant CCHAN 249, First-Run Only autorecord and I'm sure it'll work like a charm.

    Steve, I'm not sure why you and dhhaines are saying you're not sure why it works. It seems to be an ordinary non-title keyword search. I'm thinking the "stewart" keyword has an implied "*" at its end, so it may match "stewarts" and so forth, even in descriptions and actor lists, but I'm not too worried about that.

    What about the Boolean search rules am I missing?
     
  17. Richierich

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    I guess Steve was wondering why the NNOT SLANT doesn't stop the Initial First Run Viewing from recording since it also has the generic term "Slant" in it's Generic Description. If it is a First Run it must ignore the NNOT SLANT and then use it for subsequent searches and selections.
     
  18. Steve

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    Sort of. The ones that recorded all say "no information available", so the "generic description" changes, which is what allows them to record. What I don't understand is how you can depend on the description changing like that as it gets closer to air time, but apparently it does! /steve
     
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    Sherman...
    Apparently, once Comedy Central lets Tribune know that there's going to be a new episode, the guide data changes from something like this:

    The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
    Description: (unknown)
    Original Air Date: (unknown)

    To something like this:

    The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
    Description:
    Original Air Date: 4/14/2009

    The "(unknown)" data triggers the "generic" description, but the correct original air date with a missing description triggers the DirecTV receivers to use the "No information available" text.

    Once in a great, great while, they'll actually have a description for the first-run episodes (i.e., the name of the interviewee) in addition to the original air date. Those are days to celebrate.
     
  20. Steve

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    Ahhh. That explains it. Thx! Must happen with all shows like this.

    Kudos to Mr. Tupper for realizing this and coming up with his clever work-around! /steve
     

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