After 15 years, decided to bail on DTV. A few questions first!

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  1. Sep 20, 2019 #21 of 111
    decker12

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    Well, as disconcerting as the rate increases for streaming services have been, as long as I'm below $160 a month and the family can still see the channels that they want, it's a win. When I first looked into cord cutting, I changed my Guide in DTV to show me all the channels that I've hidden to cross compare, and I was baffled at the pure amount of absolute **** on the DTV channel guide that on some abstract level, I'm presumably paying for. I'm not talking the ho-hum channels like Discovery Life or MTV2, I'm talking the endless home shopping channels, all those music channels, all the religious programming channels, all of the foreign language channels, and not to mention all those ad banners in between channels.

    Don't get me wrong, I understand that just because I don't watch the foreign language or shopping channels doesn't mean somebody does and that's why DTV includes them in the packaging. It's that same issue with bundled packages where if you want 1 channel you gotta take the other 5 you don't want. But, on some level, a portion of the fees for operating those channels have got to be passed down to me, the consumer. At least with YTTV, I'm more likely to watch the included channels instead of hiding 100+ of them in the guide.

    I used to adore DTV but now I just get this feeling it's a sinking ship. Anyone else notice the lack of new DTV commercials? I don't believe I've seen a single ad for the Sunday Ticket or College Football plan this year. Did they even do a free weekend for the NFL this year?
     
  2. Sep 20, 2019 #22 of 111
    mstenbrg

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    I did the same thing. The streaming protagonists have every excuse in the book why DirecTV is better and streaming sucks. In the end, if you have the channels you watch and your bill is less, then that is all that matters.
     
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    makaiguy

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    Umm, YOU are a streaming protagonist. I think you meant streaming antagonists (or maybe satellite protagonists).
     
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  4. Sep 20, 2019 #24 of 111
    decker12

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    Well, on the DTV side you have their guide and their DVR. I am absolutely amazed at how shitty all the streaming services guides and DVRs are. Their DVRs aren't even DVRs, really. They're just pointers to shows that their service records. It makes sense - why have 50,000 people using drive space on the cloud when all they need is 1 recording and 50,000 people pointing to it - but it has all these restrictions that I am baffled so few people complain about. If you want to watch new episodes of The Simpsons, tough - it records every episode of the Simpsons on every channel, forever, and when you want to watch the latest episode you have to sort through that big list that you can never clear out. You can't delete recordings from your streaming DVR. "Oh but it's unlimited storage! You don't have to clear it out" - unless you're like me, and you want an actual cleaned up list of programs to watch, instead of just this endless list of everything you've ever recorded. There's no concept of "give me a season pass but only record first run airings".

    YTTV on the Roku doesn't even have a damn clock on their guide. It's baffling. You could be scrolling through the YTTV guide and have only a vague idea of what time it is. Hulu Live was the same type of thing. Just baffling and poor design decisions on the set top streaming players. As much as I complain about the DTV guide, even in it's most basic form it's tons better than what I've found on streaming services. On YTTV there's no quick way to "get info" to find a two sentence summary of the plot of an episode. Finally on YTTV and Hulu Live there doesn't seem to be any way to get DD audio, which has always worked perfectly on DTV for years and years.

    The CBS channels are another load of crap that I bet the other networks will soon follow suit. Basically on streaming services, when you record a CBS show, the recording is actually the VOD version. Meaning you can't skip their commercials. Plus it's buggy in the same way the DTV VOD recordings were buggy - fast forwarding/rewinding is jumpy, sometimes they don't synch up, stuff like that. Probably just a matter of time before the other networks change their "live" recordings to a VOD version.

    So it's not all ice cream and marshmallows.
     
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  6. Sep 20, 2019 #26 of 111
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    And no channel numbers. :)
     
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  7. Sep 20, 2019 #27 of 111
    mjwagner

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    NetFlix has no place in the list. It’s in an entirely different category than say Hulu, YTTV, Sling or PSVue. I certainly didn’t add NetFlix when I ditched D, I already had NetFlix so it cancels out and doesn’t belong in the comparison. But just for sake of the discussion let’s just take your example of Hulu as true (I honestly have no idea if it is or not but let’s just go with it) and run the numbers out as if they would continue on that progression. 5 years later Xtra costs 165.94 and Hulu costs 79.22...yeah I’ll still take Hulu...LOL
     
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  8. Sep 21, 2019 #28 of 111
    SledgeHammer

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    Well, if we're going to start comparing apples to actual others apples :D then Xtra is > Hulu, it's more equivalent to Hulu+Philio for example. Philio just raised their price from $16 -> $20 which is a 25% increase. Similiarly, Sling did a 25% hike and YouTube did a 14% hike. By todays prices (since we seem to be discussing a 1 tv setup), Preferred Xtra + HR54 is the same exact price as Hulu+Philio assuming, of course, you're in the loyalty program (DirecTV is actually a penny cheaper hahaha). If you're talking a multiple TV setup then yeah, streaming is cheaper (for now).

    Anyways... the point was that streaming services are ramping up prices much faster to cover costs. There's much less cost with delivering traditional vs. streaming.

    Do you not expect streaming services to start tacking on fees and monetizing streams? I can tell you for example that AT&T TV will be doing that. They'll have a very similar fee structure to DirecTV. RSN fees, box fees, etc. and all.

    How can a streaming service be sustainable LONG TERM if they have to provide all the hardware and bandwidth needed to serve up 5 streams per sub, but only get to charge for 1? This is where sat has the upper hand. Doesn't matter to DirecTV how many boxes you have, doesn't cost them any more or less if you have 1 or 50. Not the case with streaming at all.

    And why would not more channels spin off into their own services which would make services like YouTube and Philio go away anyways? We're already seeing the majority of content owners spinning up services. Much like Disney content is exclusive to Disney+, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. will be exclusive to those platforms if the current trend continues.
     
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  9. Sep 21, 2019 #29 of 111
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    They eliminated the $16 plan for new subscribers, but right now everyone who was signed up on the $16 plan still has it. So yeah, new subscribers are $4/mo worse off. Meanwhile, ATT just unsweetened the pot for new DIRECTV subscribers to the tune of $10/mo.

    The loyalty program isn’t a straight comparison, because there is extra work beyond just a standard rate sheet sale. If you want to bring “take a couple minutes to save money” tactics into the discussion, you can pay for most of streaming services with gift cards that can be purchased at a 15-20% discount. Costco frequently sells $100 Apple iTunes gift cards for $84.49 — after 2% executive cash back + 2+% cash back in credit card rewards you’re darn close to a 20% discount. Philo, Hulu, and numerous other services can be paid for using iTunes billing; I’m still paying Netflix through iTunes just for this reason. Playstation Vue you can use PSN gift cards. Heck, Hulu has their own gift cards at various stores.

    This is completely true, but I’m not sure why consumers should care. The savings now can be very real, and even if the prices equalize between traditional and streaming in the future, it doesn’t negate the fact that you could be saving actual money right now.

    Worst case scenario: the streaming provider you use fails because they can’t make the financials work, and you get to take advantage of a new subscriber promo somewhere else.

    When Voom went bust, people were left with relatively worthless receivers, dishes mounted on their house pointed at a defunct service, and it required physical clean-up and re-installation to move on to a different service. If the streaming service goes under, you just delete the app.
     
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  10. Sep 21, 2019 #30 of 111
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    You really need to stop quoting your 'loyalty' price of 50% off of the regular price as it seems you are the only one getting that kind of discount. My loyalty price right now is $20 per month off which is about a 12% discount off of the Premier package and it appears the discounts are getting smaller and harder to get with each passing day. Certainly no one is guaranteed any kind of discount so they should not be included in this discussion as fact like you keep doing.
     
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  11. Sep 21, 2019 #31 of 111
    mjwagner

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    So you loose on the discussion you started about price increases so want to rehash all the tired beat to death points that have been raised and discussed here ad nauseum LOL...not worth my time. Go page back through this and the countless other discussions that cover these points and you will find the answers.
    Bottom line is if one price starts at 150 and the other starts at 50, and the higher starting price goes up by 6% per year and the lower goes up by 12% (or even 20%) per year, the lower price will remain lower for as long as it would matter to these discussions...again, simple math...:cool:
     
  12. Sep 21, 2019 #32 of 111
    SledgeHammer

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    You should read the discount thread. There are plenty of people getting those kinds of discounts.

    But OK, I'll play along... but just to be fair, we have to remove ALL discounts and assumptions from BOTH sides, RIGHT??

    With ALL discounts removed, full sticker price for my DirecTV setup would be $120 out the door.

    YouTube = $50 + Philio = $20 = $70... but I'd also have to pay $50/mo to remove the 1TB data cap that Cox and several other providers have. Adds up to $120...

    Hey, you said you want to remove all discounts, RIGHT :D???

    As I've always said, if you don't have a data cap and/or high TV counts, streaming is cheaper.
     
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  13. Sep 21, 2019 #33 of 111
    SledgeHammer

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    There you go again mucking with the numbers to make false claims. Xtra isn't 150 anymore then streaming is 50 :rolleyes:.
     
  14. Sep 21, 2019 #34 of 111
    mjwagner

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    Sorry, I was using round numbers hoping it might be easier for you to grasp...:D Plugging in the exact numbers won’t make the simple math come out any differently though...sorry:p
     
  15. Sep 21, 2019 #35 of 111
    SledgeHammer

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    Thanks, but you'd need a grasp of what "round numbers" actually are first. My bill out the door with DirecTV with ZERO discounts is $120, not $150. YouTube+Philio+Cox data cap removal=$120, not $50.

    If $120 -> $150 and $120 -> $50 is rounding to you... boy, that sure explains a LOT :D.

    I sure hope your definition of rounding also applies to your stock portfolio. All your streaming stocks have taken HUGE dumps lately:

    Netflix $420 -> $270
    Roku $175 -> $108

    That being said, I made plenty of money on both, but the writing was on the wall... I should have held on to Roku another month :(, but oh well...
     
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  17. Sep 21, 2019 #37 of 111
    decker12

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    For what it's worth in this financial discussion, I also have a 1TB cap and with several people in the house streaming for the 3 weeks I've had YTTV, plus all of them using their devices for their usual Youtube and apps and whatnot, we're only at 550gb out of 1TB with 9 days left in the cycle. Looking back at our historical usage, without YTTV, we're averaging less than 450gb per month.

    So I don't really think adding $50 to the comparison price to remove the cap is something everyone has to do. For me, YTTV+HBO Go+Philo is 50+15+20 = $85 a month, which is obviously far less than the $160 I was paying :)

    And I really do appreciate the discussion around this, even though it seems to be taking a turn for the heated end of things.

    Hey back to a previous question - anyone else notice a lack of DTV commercials? Makes me think they're really not even looking for new customers anymore.
     
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    Rich

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    I rarely see any commercials but your observation is very interesting. Another sign of panic, perhaps?

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  19. Sep 21, 2019 #39 of 111
    Rich

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    Yeah, you're right. This is a very subjective subject. A lot of what you read here are just opinions, opinions by folks that don't understand why we have switched to streaming.

    Rich
     
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    I've seen two different Sunday Ticket commercials repeatedly broadcast on different channels prior to and since the season began.
     
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