After 20 years, Ive divorced from Direct tv

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by hoopsrgreat, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. tivofan2018

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    started out with them back in the 90's when a 2 room system was 199.99 then you could do it yourself or pay to have it installed
     
  2. NashGuy

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    I'm not sure which of my posts that your post is a response to. At any rate, I don't personally disagree with with or doubt what you're saying in your points 1, 2 and 3.

    In further response to point 2, I don't really see much of a future for DTV Now (or AT&T Watch TV) as it currently exists. Which is why I think that AT&T's upcoming more "premium" streaming cable TV service (which I predict will be branded as AT&T TV) will replace them both. If not immediately, then eventually, as they let DTV Now and Watch TV wither on the vine and completely shut them down at the end of this year or sometime in 2020.

    As to your point 3, if I were you, I would brace yourself for those discounts to stop once AT&T TV debuts and DTV satellite likely introduces the same set of newly restructured channel packages. In your situation, where you have Cox as your broadband provider, and Cox imposes a 1 TB cap, you may decide that it's not worth staying with either DTV or switching to AT&T TV. Your best overall option might be to bundle Cox cable TV in with their broadband service. That's what a lot of folks do and it's why both DTV and DISH satellite are losing so many more TV subscribers than the cable broadband operators are.

    I think that for the foreseeable future, most households that opt for any "streaming cable TV" service will do so only if they won't incur additional costs from exceeding a broadband data cap. So in the case of AT&T's current (DTV Now) and future (AT&T TV or whatever it's called) streaming cable TV services, they will mostly appeal to folks who have AT&T broadband (and therefore won't have to worry about the data they rack up using DTV Now or AT&T TV) or who have a different broadband provider without data caps (e.g. Charter, Verizon, etc.). I do expect that AT&T will strike redistribution agreements with some smaller broadband providers (e.g. CenturyLink, Frontier, etc.) to sell AT&T TV to their own broadband customers in lieu of their own in-house cable TV service and not count the AT&T TV data against their customers' caps.
     
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  3. SledgeHammer

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    Doesn't matter what they introduce. DirecTV, for whatever reason, lets you keep any grandfathered deals "forever". I don't believe you can buy my package anymore (Preferred Xtra) and there are plenty of people grandfathered on legacy packages like Total Choice, etc. As a matter of fact, I'm grandfathered in on legacy DVR billing, so I save $2/mo on that lol.

    I doubt I'll ever go to a "streaming" service as they are today since I don't like how they behave. I like being able to FF and RW at will without buffering, and again, I have 1Gbps service and both Netflix and AP buffered after a FF/RW action. Also, they could force ads down on those kinds of services. Try watching DirecTV VOD. Oh boy... 5 minutes of the same 2 or 3 ads on a loop. I couldn't take it.

    If the TCP/IP based TV service behaves nicer, then maybe I'll give it a look. I was planning to go to Cox actually earlier this year when they were being stingy with discounts since I figured jumping back and forth between Cox and DirecTV was easier then jumping back and forth between Dish and DirecTV. I might also consider TMobile TV as they have very good pricing.

    They may stop discounts "at some point", but that would likely be the near end of Sat service where they want to shut it down. If AT&T shutdown sat service today and told 20M customers to take a flying leap, the stock might take a little dip ;).

    And don't forget, there is actually a very good likely hood that T could just sell off DirecTV or spin it off to do a Dish merger. There has been talks of that for years.
     
  4. NashGuy

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    It has been DTV's practice to allow existing subscribers to stay on grandfathered packages as long as they like. (I see no reason they would change that policy; to force long-term subscribers to switch to a new package is a great way to lose even more business than they already are.)

    But there's no standing policy that prevents them from raising the regular price of those packages or from ceasing to offer significant special discounts; I expect that they'll do both on your grandfathered package in the future.

    Ceasing special discounts on DTV would simply accelerate what AT&T probably understands is going to happen anyway:

    1. flush out low-margin customers to one of the many competing options (Comcast cable TV, Charter cable TV, YouTube TV, and/or various SVODs like Netflix, Hulu, etc.) and
    2. retain acceptable-margin customers on one of their three major platforms: DTV satellite, AT&T TV (streaming cable) or HBO Max (WarnerMedia SVOD). A large majority of those who stay on DTV satellite will be those who have no other option for pay TV besides DISH (which no longer offers HBO or Cinemax and possibly never will again).

    Yes, there could be some additional near-term pain inflicted on AT&T's stock price but in the longer-term AT&T would be left with a more stable and more profitable base of video entertainment subscribers. And let's face it, AT&T has nothing but bad news to announce every quarter anyhow in terms of DTV subscriber losses.

    Oh yes, I know. I've posted about that possibility a lot on a competing satellite TV forum. I expect that will happen at some point in the next 1 to 4 years. Sorry I can't be more specific; my crystal ball is cloudy on that. ;-)
     
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    They do raise the prices on grandfathered packages, that's for sure. They haven't raised my legacy DVR pricing though. That's been stuck at $20/month forever. It's only $23/mo now because as part of my last discount negotiation, I wanted a free HR54 upgrade because I just couldn't take my slow as molasses HR24 anymore and they did that too. So I'm about as low margin of a customer as you get haha...

    I would, as many others would, LOVE to see a Dish+DirecTV merger that's not corporate monstrosity owned. That's the dream for lots of folks. Hopper 3 with DirecTV PQ. That would also give them plenty of Sat capacity to up the PQ even more to compete with streaming, but I doubt they'll do that.

    I'll never give up my Preferred Xtra though. The day I do that, I move to a different service. I don't watch sports, so that package is perfect for me, relatively cheap, I get all the channels I need AND no RSN fee.

    Then again, if I move to a new house in the area, it'd likely have T fiber and/or Google Fiber and then I'd probably go with one of those.
     
  6. wmb

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    I signed up for D* in 2007, and had a 10 year run. Two or so years ago, my discounts ended. I called and tried to get them back to no avail. My bill went from $80 to $ 150. Four TVs, whole home DVR, HD. I also subscribed to Direct Kick MLS, but it was before the season, so that would have added another $80 over 4 months, which is now a $50 per year ESPN+ account.

    I went to DirecTV Now because they offered free AppleTVs for a 3 month subscription, which was $30 less than list price for the Apple TV. I got 2 of them. DirecTV Now is fine, but is costs me what my D* package alone cost me when I left, but I'm not paying $21 for HD/Whole Home/DVR and $21 for three extra receivers. I would leave DirecTV Now today for PS Vue, which would save me $15 per month, except my wife won't let despite not her not liking DirecTV Now. I have the grandfathered middle package, which includes things like Food Network, DIY, HGTV, etc. I'd go to the $50 DirecTV Now package if it included those networks.

    Anyhow, my local TelCom has fiber to the house. I can have their TV service, but the guide sucks. Internet and TV would cost under $100, but I don't like the box/remote/guide. Internet alone will cost about $50.
     
  7. NashGuy

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    So, in that case, I suppose that you would bundle AT&T TV (streaming cable) in with AT&T Fiber or YouTube TV (streaming cable) in with Google Fiber? (Yes, I know that Google offers a traditional cable TV service called Google Fiber TV in most of their markets but they didn't expand it to the most recent cities to get Google Fiber. Instead, they offered a free Nvidia Shield TV box running Google's own Android TV operating system to Google Fiber customers who opted to bundle YouTube TV in with their Google Fiber broadband service. I suspect that Google Fiber TV will cease to exist in the coming months/years and Google will put all their eggs in the YouTube TV basket.)
     
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  8. JoeTheDragon

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    Google Fiber TV is full line cable tv like att uverse. But with good bit rates. Full locals and RSN's
    does the streamings one get you the right ESPN feeds and all of the RSN over flows?
     
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    Only time I ever had an issue was early this year when I had to call in 5 times. Rest have all been first call for years and years. Might have been how you asked. Way I've always done it is have my competitor pricing handy. When my promos fell off again a month or two ago, I didn't even have to do that. Honestly, if I was DirecTV, I wouldn't keep me lol.
     
  10. SledgeHammer

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    If I moved to a house with Google Fiber, I'd get GF internet, phone and TV most likely. Every post I've ever seen about it says GF has the best PQ as Joe said, highest bit rate. Also as Joe indicated, its traditional cable behavior, just delivered over Fiber. It's not streaming.

    If I moved to a house with T fiber, I'd dump Cox and go T since its cheaper and symmetric. I might keep DirecTV at that point since I'd get a bundle discount. Would switch my land line over as well.

    If I was going streaming, I would have to take a look at TMobileTV.
     
  11. Brian Hanasky

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    Bill for either Sling or Youtube TV is $50 to $60 cheaper. I had been with Directv from 2003 until 2017. I had done the silly call in and ask for discounts multiple times. I was tired of the circus. I was tired of box fees, HD fee, DVR fee, and whatever fee they wanted to charge. I was tired of having to pay for a package with a ton of crap channels just to get the couple I or the wife wanted. Trust me I loved Directv for years and recommended it to many but for me the value to cost was not in balance any longer.

    Number of providers is 1. Youtube TV. I already had Netflix and had no plan to cancel it. I get Hulu occasionally to watch their original programming but drop it when I'm done. I know people say "Well you have to factor in internet costs in what you are saving." To me this is a ludicrous perspective. It's 2019. I already had internet for many other things so I would never factor this into the cost of dropping cable/satellite.
     
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  12. SledgeHammer

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    You should. I have Cox 1Gbps. I'm *not* factoring in that portion. I'm factoring in the portion that Cox has a 1TB cap. I typically use 300GB/mo now with ZERO streaming other then light YouTube (not YouTubeTV, YouTube proper). Just an FYI, but the Cox unlimited data "add on" is $50/mo... but you just said your bill was only $50 to $60 cheaper! Lol.. cool, well, you just spent all that money on getting the unlimited data cap :D. Well, not you lol... for people with data caps. If at some point Cox removes the data cap, then different story.

    Too completely ignore data cap issues will come back to bite you...

    You're also ignoring the fact that lots of people have slow internet packages and might need to get a higher package to support multiple TVs running full time streaming.

    My sister literally has 5Mbps internet service with a data cap... it would cost her quite a bit more to go to a decent package with a decent cap.
     
  13. sparky27

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    That's our family! We live 25 minutes from the state capital and mobile hotspots are our ONLY option for home internet. In fact we just added satellite tv in order to do away with the 5 different streaming apps we had to use and constant data cap issues. Our satellite bill is now the same as our streaming bill....with none of the headaches.
     
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    Yup. "headaches" is another issue. Cord cutters complain about the headaches of calling in once or twice a year to negotiate your bill (which takes 10 mins and you can do it at work) vs. juggling 5 different apps and teaching everybody in the house how to use them and getting all that stuff working. Personally, I don't like having headaches at all, but to me, twice a year is preferable to every time I want to use the TV.
     
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  15. Brian Hanasky

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    Points taken. For me streaming is seamless and cheaper. I pay for what I want and don't have a bunch of junk channels I don't want. I have unlimited internet in my area and due to other interests have fast speeds. It may not be for everyone but it's certainly for me.
     
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  16. NashGuy

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    The system that GFTV uses is more like Uverse TV than anything else. Linear channels on GFTV are all managed IPTV, delivered via multicast in an MPEG-2 transport stream using MPEG-4/h.264 compression. Up to 8 linear channels can be simultaneously recorded to a local DVR hard drive inside the GFTV set-top box. On-demand content, OTOH, is just OTT streaming (HTTP using DASH with Widevine encyrption), pretty much like Netflix and other OTT apps.

    Everyone in the industry seems to be moving away from that kind of old-style managed IPTV platform. AT&T will replace Uverse TV with their upcoming thin-client OTT service. CenturyLink has stopped selling their Prism TV service, which runs on the same IPTV platform as Uverse TV. The future seems to be a platform that is fully OTT-compatible (for delivery to any internet-connected device anywhere nationwide) but that can dynamically implement multicast for linear channels on the operator's own network when doing so is optimal for managing network resources/traffic.

    Assuming that AT&T continues to offer a bundle discount to new subscribers who take both AT&T Fiber and DirecTV satellite. It's possible that they will but I doubt it. They'll very much prefer you to instead use the new thin-client streaming service, which the CEO has already dubbed their "satellite replacement" product.
     
  17. Rich

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    I have a hard time believing anybody that says there's not enough content in NF, AP and Hulu to keep them entertained. I've been streaming for years and I haven't run out of interesting content on any of the streamers. Simply put, this is the best TV experience I've ever had. And it's not complicated.

    Rich
     
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    Isn't TMobile TV managed IPTV? My issue with streaming is that you can't do basic stuff like FF / RW, etc. You basically have to point your remote across the room at a small 1x1 pixel area to get to a specific location. I don't watch sports, but I know Rich does a lot of 10 second rewind / replay. I know its an unusual use case, but I sometimes see an episode of some show where I remember there was a hilarious scene or two and I can easily go to that scene with DTV. Can't do that very easily with streaming. There are other shows I watch where I like to FF through "fluff" segments. For example, AGT. I don't care about the backstories of the acts, I just want to see the acts. Can't do that on streaming either.
     
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    On AP, you've got classic TV shows. I re-watched Burn Notice and a few eps of That 70s Show. Majority of decent movies are paid.

    I did the Netflix trial in Dec I think since I (*was* a shareholder) and my parents were thinking about getting an account that we could split. I watched Triple Frontier and re-watched The Kingdom and Law Abiding Citizen. There was also this twisted kid movie I watched starring one of the former disney twins. It was OK, but hardly anything I'd pay money for. I tried 4 or 5 other movies that were in the highlights, but they were all honestly pretty bad. I've tried watching Ozark, started out decent, but I got bored after 3 or 4 eps. Netflix used to have a ton of licensed (i.e. popular) content, but that's all going away and now you're left with all the straight to video / foreign junk. I liked the 1st season of Casa De Papel, but the second season got boring. They also seem to be cancelling most of their hit shows. So really within the next year, its going to be *all* straight to video / foreign junk. I really wanted to like it since I was a shareholder, but as the licensed content goes away, whats left is pretty bad. Have you tried watching Calibre? lol... Oh... actually, I did watch Murder Mystery. First 15 to 20 minutes, I was about to give up, but then it got a bit better.
     
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    The DVR functionality is dependent on what OTT service you are using and on what platform (unfortunately the UI and experience is not currently consistent across platforms). For almost three years now we have been using PSVue on either FireTV or Nvidia Shield streaming devices. With some exceptions we primarily watch DVRed content and FF thru all commercials. The experience for us is pretty much identical with what we were used to with D. I have no problems at all with FF/REW. No “rebuffering”, when you hit play after FFing thru the commercials, it just starts to play. Honestly I’ll never go back to having a local DVR. I much prefer for someone else to have to manage that equipment. You never have to worry about conflicts and you never run out of space so you don’t have to delete anything or manage space or worry about your DVR crapping out. PSVue does limit you to 28 days but we never used our DVRs for long storage. If I don’t watch something within 28 days I probably won’t watch it, LOL. I realize the 28 day limit is an issue for some folks. Streaming isn’t a good fit for some people, no worries, options are good.
     

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