After 20 years, Ive divorced from Direct tv

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  1. Rich

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    I don't understand the "buffering" complaint. Not as a constant, which is what it sounds like from the posts. Why that happens to some people is beyond me. I'd be looking at my ISP if I saw buffering constantly when streaming. Buffering on NF or AP is not normal unless you have very low speeds.

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  2. SledgeHammer

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    I don't mean buffering in the middle of a movie... I mean, if you click on the time bar and say move ahead an hour, it doesn't start playing the video instantly, it buffers a bit. I'm not saying it sits there for 5 minutes, but maybe a second or two. For AP and NF, I've just used the apps in my TV (LG OLED) so it could be just those implementations. I have a (Oppo 203) UHD player, but it doesn't have streaming apps. Never had a Roku or a Nvidia Shield, etc to try those implementations. Might be a better experience, but like I said, I can't justify going to NF or AP full time for sure as the content isn't there. Might be able to do YouTube TV for live channels, but they don't have all the channels I want.
     
  3. NashGuy

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    I'm honestly not sure of the delivery mechanics of T-Vision from T-Mobile (formerly Layer 3 TV). I *think* it's actually OTT streaming video but it may be more reliable than some live OTT services (e.g. DTV Now) because the stream travels most of the way on the Layer 3 network and then the rest of the way through broadband providers with whom Layer 3 has struck a distribution deal. I could be wrong but I don't think T-Vision uses multicast video. If they did, they would have to arrange for their last-mile broadband partners (e.g. Comcast, Verizon, etc.) to support that and, given how few T-Vision customers there are, I don't think they would. I do know that they encode everything in HEVC h.265, which is very efficient, and they offer some stuff in 4K HDR.

    But T-Vision does differ from other live OTT services in that it relies on a local DVR. The main T-Vision set-top box contains a 1 TB hard drive that can store about 400 hours of HD. It doesn't offer cloud DVR at all. Or a mobile app for accessing live or recorded content while away from home. Everything must be viewed through either the main or secondary T-Vision boxes.

    As for your poor experiences with replay, rewind, FF, etc. on streaming video, I don't really have that on my Apple TV 4K on any of the major apps. They have consistent playback controls/UIs. I can click left for an immediate 10 second replay. I can stack up to 3 without buffering. More than 3 and there's a sub-1 second buffering. Rapidly rewinding or FFing through videos to find a specific scene is much, much faster than on a traditional DVR like TiVo; just look at the little thumbnail preview on the playback bar UI and swipe left or right on the Apple TV remote's trackpad. You can scrub through super-fast or more slowly, depending on how quickly you swipe.
     
  4. Rich

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    I don't see that on my ATVs either. I don't see it on my Fire TV devices either. I don't use my TVs for streaming. If all these complaints are based on what one person sees using a TV set I don't think folks should accept those opinions as absolute truth. Get an ATV, an FTV or a Shield and use something that just blows away what you get with TV apps. Using a TV remote on a streaming video site isn't the best thing that can be done. I think.

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  5. SledgeHammer

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    But LG calls it the "magic remote" :p
     
  6. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I've got one of those. Using that air-mouse-pointer thing is just super-tedious to me. No thanks.

    For the first year or so after I bought my LG B6 OLED in Nov. 2016, I mainly relied on its built-in apps for streaming. I'd switch over to an old Apple TV 3 for certain apps it lacked like HBO and Showtime. But then in Jan. 2018, I got an Apple TV 4K and absolutely love it. I never touch the apps on my LG TV any more, except when I get free video rentals from FandangoNow, which has an app for LG but not Apple TV.
     
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    Not with Comcast cloud DVR 20 hours like is't an 2008 HD cable box. Also that is with there crap bitrates
     
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    You really won't get the best experience using apps on a device like a TV or BR player. For the best experience you need to use an actual streaming device.
     
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    The new system Comcast has put in place for new Xfinity TV subscribers is a three-tiered channel package line-up: Basic, Extra and Preferred. (Premiums are a la carte add-ons.) Extra and Preferred automatically come with 20 hours of cloud DVR included but Basic does not. You can use the Xfinity Stream app on Roku, smart TVs, phones, etc. and there's no charge (for now at least) to use that app on as many devices as you like (but they must be connected to your home network served by Comcast broadband to ensure the full experience). If you instead want an X1 streaming box (model Xi5 or Xi6) to plug into your TV -- no tuners, no hard drive, basically a Roku-like device with a full-featured voice remote, running the X1 user interface -- they charge you $5/mo for each box you take.

    You also have the option to pay an extra $10/mo to bump up your cloud DVR storage to 60 hours (from either 0 or 20 hours, depending on your package). Of course, you get discounts for bundling TV in with broadband and/or home phone and/or mobile phone service from Comcast.

    BTW, if you've read my predictions for how AT&T's upcoming "premium" "thin-client" streaming TV service (which I've been calling "AT&T TV") will be structured, you'll notice that it kinda resembles the new Xfinity TV plans. That's not coincidental. AT&T and Comcast are the two biggest cable TV operators in the US and they compete directly against one another in LOTS of places.

    And yes, Comcast uses crap bitrates (and a max of 720p resolution) on their cable channels.
     
  10. SledgeHammer

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    Yeah, I keep hearing that... I'd get a Roku or something like that, but I can't really justify it if I struggle to find good content in a month trial.
     
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    We must have VERY different tastes in TV (which is fine, no judgment!) because it seems to me that there's way more good stuff on streaming than on cable TV. Well, to be fair, there's a good bit of overlap; HBO, Showtime and Starz are all both cable channels and standalone streaming services. And Hulu carries pretty much all non-sports primetime and late-night content from ABC, NBC and Fox. CBS All Access, of course, does the same for CBS. And recent PBS stuff is available free in their app.

    So then I guess we're comparing the stuff that's exclusive to streaming vs. exclusive to cable TV. On the streaming side, you have the slew of Netflix originals, plus Amazon Prime Video originals, plus Hulu originals, plus CBS All Access originals. On the cable TV side, you have sports, lots of mindless "reality" TV drivel, and originals from FX, AMC, TBS, TNT, etc. Both sides offer reruns of past years' TV series and movies but the streaming outlets give you access to them on-demand any time you want, with the entire series often available. And if you don't mind waiting anywhere from a few weeks to several months, the latest seasons of those original series from FX and other cable channels will end up on one of the streaming services.
     
  12. Brian Hanasky

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    I have everything in my house hardwired. It's not complicated (as would be the complaint from some). I have my router and from that a line to an 8 port switch. Lines from that run to my 2 PC's, my son's PC and Xbox, to my daughter's Xbone, and then another 2 lines to the LR and Man Cave Roku. I have no issues with buffering on streaming content. I do pay $100 a month for Xfinity Blast as there are multiple gamers in the house but I paid for that when I had Directv so it is not an extra expense streaming forced me to pick up.
     
  13. Brian Hanasky

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    No judgement either but I also don't get the lack of content. With Youtube TV (or Sling, Directv Now, PSVue, Hulu live) you can get all the "live tv' shows airing on all the major networks, sports channels, and the cable networks like TNT, USA, etc. On Hulu (not live) you get next day access to all primetime shows from ABC, NBC, and FOX as well as older shows such no longer airing new episodes. Netflix has some older shows but also has shows still airing and the new season arrives on Netflix about 9 months after the season finale airs live. Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime also have original content shows/movies.

    My confusion is that if you watch TV such as primetime shows M-F on ABC, FOX, NBC, CBS you can watch these shows live on a streaming service (or days later on DVR) plus u can watch live sports or DVR them to watch later. If u aren't into M-F network programming or sports then I would say that the cable replacement style streaming services like YouTube TV aren't for you but I also would wonder what you used Directv for in the first place.
     
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    Well, I like a few shows on ID throughout the week. Monday is Pawn Stars (History), Pool Kings (DIY) and Penn & Teller (CW), Tuesday is Science Channel, Wed depends on what cable show is on, but could be Discovery, MTHD, DIY, etc. Friday is Discovery, Saturdays is This Old House (PBS). Then, occasionally I'll watch episodes of classic TV shows (various channels). No sports. I watch movies of course. If I really want to see it in the best PQ, I'll get the UHD disc. If its questionable (I'll try a lot of movies and maybe give up in the first 5 - 10 mins if it sucks), so downloading is good for that lol.

    I don't watch reality shows in the proper sense except Americas Got Talent (NBC).

    I actually just read a review on streaming packages on Cnet today... apparently Sci + DIY + History + PBS, you aren't going to get in a streaming package lol.

    I did watch Season 3 of Designated Survivor, but that's not really a NF show. I tried a few of the original series on NF and AP like Ozark, Sneaky Pete and I just couldn't get into them.

    Now that TBBT is cancelled, it's slim pickings on TV.
     
  15. Rich

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    I can't imagine using the Samsung TV remotes for streaming. Four 4K Sammys I have and each one has a different remote but they manage to keep the black on black color scheme on each one. Need a flashlight to see which buttons to push. And they don't do what a dedicated remote for streaming does easily. I gave up on the TV apps shortly after buying the first 4K Sammy.

    I can see why someone would be put off about streaming if all he had to use was a TV remote. I guess they don't want to spend the money for a streamer that works well...and you can't beat a Fire TV device as far as ease of use and bang for the buck goes.

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    I left DirecTV -- and cable TV in general -- in 2015 when HBO and Showtime became available as standalone streaming services. I found myself mainly watching premium channels plus local channels on DirecTV. Sure, I'd flip through the dial and graze on a bit of HGTV here and an old movie on TBS there but none of that was "appointment viewing". I was intrigued by the content popping up on Netflix, Amazon Prime Video and Hulu and decided I'd rather pay for that stuff than all those basic cable channels that I rarely watched. (I'm a very casual sports viewer and I can watch local NFL on OTA TV.)

    "Hey, I can get my locals for free, with better HD PQ, using an OTA antenna," I thought. "And now I don't need cable or satellite to get Showtime and HBO!" So I bought a TiVo OTA DVR. And then I subscribed to various streaming services. For me, this gave me an overall better bundle of content, a lot fewer ads to deal with, better HD PQ, all accessed through better user devices than the old Genie HR-44 I had. And I was paying a heck of a lot less each month as a bonus!
     
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    Can't imagine anyone struggling to find programs they like when streaming. But if you begin anything with the attitude that you are not going to enjoy it...

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    I don't have everything hard wired and I don't have problems with buffering on any of my streaming devices. But my home is blanketed with 300 Mbps down.

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    I didn't start with that attitude. I tried out the service since I had some skin in the game (Netflix and Roku -- and did awesome on both of them :)). I've watched every episode of Friends so many times, I could pretty much act them out. Same for That 70s Show. I'd watch the 3 seasons of Designated Survivor one time through, but it's definitely no 24. That's the issue with the classic TV shows like the ones I mentioned and Seinfeld, Everybody Loves Raymond, Dukes Of Hazzard, Good Times, Martin, etc. I've seen them so many times they're memorized. I gave Ozark a chance since I like Bateman in general. It was good for a few episodes and then slowed down considerably. I've given a lot of the movies a chance too. I've liked some of them. My impression when I did the trial again in December was that they add a lot of content daily, but a lot of it is really, really bad. I keep harping on Calibre. Triple Frontier, Murder Mystery, Hitmans Bodyguard were enjoyable. I'll check out Point Blank or whatever its called that's coming out in a few weeks... I dunno, I'll watch off the beaten path movies, but I at least like to recognize SOMEBODY in the movie. I've watched plenty of movies where I didn't know anybody in it and I still liked it... I dunno… like I said, towards the end of the month, I found myself scrolling through the shows and movie list for hours trying to find something to watch. On AP, I found myself re-watching Burn Notice. Everything decent on there was premium except for the classic TV shows where they have a better selection then NF.
     
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    I've gone to YouTube TV exclusively. I have Cox with the 1TB cap. Paying the extra $50 for unlimited data. It's just my wife, my son and me in the house. My son streams Boomerang and music, my wife streams YouTubeTV throughout the day and I stream at night. Our usage is generally around 1.5 TB /month.


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