Amazing Race Contest: FINAL QUESTIONS

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  1. cdru

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    My guess it is to announce the winner at the same time they officially announce the next contest...the one with "a great prize from a sponsor you will all recognize".

    We are all anxious to see who won, but another day won't hurt. Plus with this deadline, I don't think it will get moved back again. Look on the bright side. Now you don't have to keep checking throughout the day to see if it's been posted yet. Your work productivity will go up 30%!
     
  2. Danny R

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    My guess it is to announce the winner at the same time they officially announce the next contest...

    Yeah, all those sound like good reasons!

    But the real one is I found another error last night right before I was going to post the results. I don't think it has an effect, but I wanted a bit more time to doublecheck.
     
  3. finniganps

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    Thanks for posting the preliminary results several days ago.
     
  4. Danny R

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    A few hints:

    cdru won the fast forward in Leg 11. However he would have been better off not doing so, because he wasn't in 1st place at the time and it made him also eligible for 3 yields, thus worsening his score.

    saulres was the only active player to get -3 days for the Preliminary poll by guessing the contest winners. All active players that participated in the preliminary poll opted out before the finish.

    Once the response bonus was calculated, there was a 3 way tie for first going into the final questions.
     
  5. saulres

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    Given that there were other players who picked the same teams I did, this implies that I got the points because I didn't opt out. I really hate to say this, but I did opt out, about 3 weeks (give or take) before the end of the race....
     
  6. Danny R

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    Yes, you opted out. But those who picked the correct team also got -3 days in addition to that. Buzzdalf and Unthinkable also picked the right team, but dropped out of the game.

    Look at the very last rule: If you invoke your bonus prior to the final episode, and your pick continues on to win The Amazing Race, you will receive a 3 day bonus then as well.
     
  7. saulres

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    Ah, so perseverance was the trick. 'Splains much.
     
  8. cdru

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    Hmm. There would be a paradox in the rules then.

    "3. In addition to the questions above, a Fast Forward poll will exist which may be used ONCE during the contest for each participant. If you are the FIRST to answer this poll correctly, your time will be equalized with the current contest leader at the end of that week (incorrect answers in other weekly polls won't incur a time penalty either), thus putting you tied for the lead.
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    Yields are scored AFTER all other questions and bonus points are given that week."


    It would seem that you apply the fast forward bonus before the yield penalty.

    This seems to create the paradox. It would be impossible to figure out who the leader(s) is for a given week without figuring out the yield, yet the yield can't be applied until the leader(s) is determined. It seems it's the chicken before the egg problem.

    If my sheet was right, on Leg 11 for the yields, two "leaders" and a "nobody" were used. So there was a maximum penalty of a -2 for the yields to the leader at the end of the leg. If indeed I would have been better of not using the fast forward, that would imply that I was only a day behind the leader. But the application of the first yield would have put me at the same time as the leader, making me a leader as well, subjecting me to a penalty as well. If the yields are applied all at once without recomputing the leader in between, then it would seem that it would be possible for someone to use the fast forward and not be in the lead at the end of the leg.

    I didn't use it because I needed it, I used it to prevent anyone else from catching up by using it. I think the fast forward should apply AFTER any other type of scoring is applied, including the yields. This would prevent any type of paradox from happening.
     
  9. cdru

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    Actually, not completely. It only pays up to a point, then the potential returns I think outweigh the risk. Below is a little chart that shows what the potential return is if you wait. For me the "sweet" spot was around week 10. I was fairly confident that my team would make it that far, but I wasn't sure about the whole thing. By not opting out at all, your team would have to win the race in order to get -12. But by opting out in weeks 9, 10, or 11, you may lose a few days over holding out until the end, but it would be paid back if they won as much or more then if you had waited. The longer you wait, the more risk of them being eliminated and thus giving you a serious penalty.
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    Leg to            Leg eliminated
    opt out     9    10    11    12    Wins
    9           +9   -9    -9    -9    -12
    10          NA   +10   -10   -10   -13
    11          NA   NA    +11   -11   -14
    12          NA   NA    NA    +12   -12
     
  10. Danny R

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    It would seem that you apply the fast forward bonus before the yield penalty.

    Yes, this is well defined in the rules and was clarified the previous season as well.

    This seems to create the paradox. It would be impossible to figure out who the leader(s) is for a given week without figuring out the yield, yet the yield can't be applied until the leader(s) is determined.

    No paradox, as only Yield penalty points are added last - yield bonus points are already added in, and thus the "leader" is the leader at the time before they are applied. Since this week had multiple yields, I'll clarify it in future rules, but in this case Yield penalty wouldn't switch who is the leader, as there were two leaders and both got yielded.

    If my sheet was right, on Leg 11 for the yields, two "leaders" and a "nobody" were used.

    I have 3 yields for the leader in Leg 11.
    Q8 answer: $180 CoriBright closest with $120
    Q9 answer: $297 markdl closest with $412
    Q10 answer: 1hr 4 min. Tusk closest with 1hr 10 min.

    Leg 12 I have 2 yields used:
    Q9 answer of Chicago had Ric and bgilmore winning yields and using it against cdru and leader
    Q10 answer was 5 hrs 53 minutes, with Marvin winning a yield but not using it.
     
  11. Danny R

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    BTW, here are the answers for the questions:

    Leg 11
    Q1: Finishes first: Kris/Jon
    Q2: Finishes second: Freddy/Kendra
    Q3: Finishes last: Aaron/Hayden
    Q4: Roadblock: Rebecca/Kris/Kendra/Hayden
    Q5: Detour: Nobody - All teams take same detour
    Q6: Major mistake - Aaron/Hayden - quit roadblock
    Q7: Group points - There were 3 group points: Train Station/Drum Tower/Car Paint
    Q8: Yield - How much money do Rebecca/Momma's boy collect: $180
    Q9: Yield - How much money do other teams collect: $297
    Q10: Yield - Time difference - 1 hr 4 min
    Detour1 - flights before 8pm marked wrong
    Detour2 - only one respondent
    FF winner: cdru

    Leg 12
    Q1: Winner - Freddy/Kendra
    Q2: 2nd - Kris/Jon
    Q3: 3rd - Rebecca/Adam
    Q4: Roadblock: Adam/Jon/Freddy
    Q5: Detour: Kris/Jon do less travelled detour (outfit matching)
    Q6: Mistake - none
    Q7: Group points - none
    Q8: Fail to finish - nobody
    Q9: Yield - Chicago
    Q10: Time difference - 5 hr 53 min
    Detour1 - all Survivor answers were right
    Detour2 - Amber/Rob only answer given by all respondents and marked as correct (descriptions of others don't count)
     
  12. cdru

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    Can you also repost the questions. The links don't work anymore due to a server crash.

    Also, did you find many errors in prior weeks?
     
  13. Danny R

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    The links don't work anymore due to a server crash.

    Not a crash. I already removed them in preparation for new questions going up. The next season does start next week after all.

    I'll upload a text file having the full questions tonight once I get home. I gave a very brief descriptor above since I was just retyping them from a printout.

    As for errors, most of them were along the lines of adding the same number twice or forgetting to add one in. Nothing that changed any results.
     
  14. saulres

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    Leg 11 Detour 2 question (as I remember it): What other reality shows have had skydiving as a task? List show name, season, and episode number.

    Leg 12 Detour 2 question (again, as I remember it): Who are on the teams for the next installment of The Amazing Race?
     
  15. cdru

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    My memory of the episode is a little fuzzy, but why is the Car Paint considered a group point? Just because all 4 teams were there at the same point in time? I know that there was some additional wording to the question, so that's why I asked about the text of the question above. I wouldn't have thought that a point were all 4 teams were at different stages of a task would be considered a bunch point, only places where everyone had to wait idlely for something (airport, store to open, etc).
     
  16. Danny R

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    Ok, I can type that one in quickly. As the question states:

    A group point is defined as a location where the teams progress is stalled allowing all other teams to catch up before another team leaves. Pit stops and the finish line are excluded.

    All the teams were painting the car at the same time before any of them finished the task and left, so it qualifies.
     
  17. cdru

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    But their progress wasn't stalled. They were completing a task. Oh well.
     
  18. saulres

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    Depends on your definition of "progress". They were not travelling any further; they had to wait there before they could continue with the race. Granted, they had to do something there, but they still couldn't continue w/the race until they did.

    Or could they have, and taken a time penalty?
     
  19. cdru

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    I was defining it as moving forward toward a goal. The goal was to finish the road block, so they were progressing. Sitting at an airport waiting for a flight isn't moving them forward towards any goal other then time. But since time is constant, it doesn't count.

    I guess arging at this point is pointless. I'm just anxious to see the scoresheet.
     
  20. saulres

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    While arguing is pointless, discussion is fun :) So...

    By your definition, time spent sitting in an airport is not a group point, either. How many times did we see teams who had extra time look for a quicker flight? Their goal was to get to the new country ASAP, and some teams progressed in this goal even while waiting for a flight.
     

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