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AMC 14 Failure identified

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by spear61, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. spear61

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  2. space86

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    I wonder if they did not check everything before launch?
     
  3. spear61

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    The rocket guys web sites say that this particular launch had one of the longest uninterrupted burn times for the M engine. They had speculated that something wore out. Perhaps the heat and erosion and flex failure that the investigators reference fits that picture.
     
  4. scooper

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    Sounds like they tried to push it's limits just a little too much, and paid the price.
     
  5. James Long

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    FYI: The previous thread AMC-14 failed to reach the planned orbit is now closed and this thread remains to discuss AMC-14.
     
  6. mcbelisle

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    So, Are you complaining!!!!"
     
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  8. spear61

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    duplicate
     
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    What is the legal reason EchoStar Corp submitted this request instead of the owner, SES? SES was indicated as a party but the request was signed by a EchoStar official. :confused: Was the lease agreement already in effect at the launch date? Just curious. :)
     
  10. James Long

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    It was by authority that the FCC granted Echostar that the satellite was launched.
    The responsibility to keep the FCC informed and ask for changes falls back to them.
     
  11. spear61

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    "The ILS Failure Review Oversight Board (FROB) will meet in Moscow on 25 April to commence an in-depth review and assessment of the Russian State Commission investigation. In addition to propulsion and industry experts and representatives of the insurance industry, the FROB will also include customer representatives. "

    Stay tuned for new launch schedules (Ciel 2 among others)
     
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    2nd to last paragraph in the link provided by dahenny contains this startling bit of information:
    Could be a lot of intrigue involved in this.
     
  14. James Long

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    How do you sell a satellite AND collect insurance on it?
    Isn't that like selling your wrecked car and expecting insurance to pay "totaled" cost?

    I suppose that AMC would get an insurance payment LESS what the sale amount was, but if I were an insurance company I would be disinclined to pay a loss on something that had enough value to be sold. They certainly would not get a "total failure" payout.
     
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    From reading about asiasat-3 that failed back in the late 90s, the insurer paid out the claim, then took ownership of the bird. They then sold it to Hughes who fixed the orbit with the moonshot and had to share profits with the insurance company.
     
  16. James Long

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    Correct ... but the linked article says SES is trying to sell the satellite, before the insurance company can sell it to someone else. They are attempting to prevent what happened in the case of asiasat-3.
     
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    Yeah, I missed that part. WTF? How can they sell it and claim insurance?
     
  18. FTA Michael

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    Occam's Razor: Maybe the article is wrong. SpaceDaily has been wrong before.
     
  19. spear61

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    Like this from the article "The US government would then move AMC-14 to a geostationary orbit inclined at roughly 10 degrees to the equator".

    Guess they have created some new laws of physics.
     
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