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American Idol 2011

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by peak_reception, Jan 18, 2011.

  1. Jan 20, 2011 #21 of 236
    ffemtreed

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    I couldn't answer either of the past two winners if asked in a trivia game.

    last night was pretty good. I think Tyler's act might get old though. I am curious to see how its going to play out during the live shows.

    I have a bad feeling they are turning more of the focus on the judges rather than the contestants. At least they toned down the bad acts this year and showed more people that had some talent.
     
  2. Jan 20, 2011 #22 of 236
    Maruuk

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    Lopez was terrific! A vast improvement over Paula, and less manic and fake than Kara. She seems natural, and is fun to watch. Dog is da Dog.

    The creepy old man with the turkey neck and the raspy old-man croak is scary. Make him go away, mommy!

    Problem is, they haven't updated this brutal, flat, painful-to-watch, endless a capella early-audition phase at all, which has me AND Lopez saying (as she did last night), "I can't take this! How do I get off this show???"
     
  3. Jan 20, 2011 #23 of 236
    Chris Blount

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    You know what's interesting? It almost seems like Randy doesn't belong there anymore considering the tone that has been set between the other two judges. Almost like they should have started with a completely clean slate. I wonder if Randy feels out of place.
     
  4. Jan 20, 2011 #24 of 236
    Maruuk

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    Good point, he did seem oddly irrelevant last night. A third wheel. There's no chemistry between him and Lopez.

    Part of the problem is there's no leader anymore. No one's sure who's supposed to call for the vote, so they all just kind of step all over each other about who goes first.

    The obvious central problem is one you could see coming long ago: you've now got 3 "nice guys", pleasant, helpful, courteous folks with zero foil, no pushback, no conflict. Nobody to work off of. It's like Dean Martin, Bud Abbot, George Burns, Ricky Ricardo and Dicky Smothers on stage together. Where's the funny guy???
     
  5. Jan 20, 2011 #25 of 236
    Doug Brott

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    I thought Tyler was hilarious ..
     
  6. Jan 20, 2011 #26 of 236
    Chris Blount

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    Well put and all true.
     
  7. Jan 20, 2011 #27 of 236
    AntAltMike

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    I set up the broadcast HDTV feed for an American Idol "viewing party" held in conjunction with the local Fox affiliate at Madam Tussaud's wax museum in Washington, DC. It wasn't clear to me what interactions might be taking place between these viewing parties and either the network or local broadcast, so I planned on watching the show for the first time in my life, but fell asleep early in the show and missed nearly the whole thing. Did the national network telecast show the viewers at the viewing parties, like ESPN does with the guys at Joe's bar watching the game on ESPN, or was their involvement just local?
     
  8. Jan 20, 2011 #28 of 236
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    Tyler was a nice addition, but I'd gladly trade Lopez (who is absolutely terrible) and Jackson for Simon.

    IMO, they were more "rude" last night than Simon ever was. At least he would just tell people they were terrible (which was always true), instead of just laughing at them.
     
  9. Jan 20, 2011 #29 of 236
    Doug Brott

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    Simon had his fair share of (duly justified) laughing .. Heck some of the duds were really funny even when they didn't realize it.
     
  10. Jan 21, 2011 #30 of 236
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    What bothered me tonight was basically all 3 were always in complete agreement with each other. Thus you lose any back-and-forth dialog about the singer's performance which would be a lot more interesting.

    And on a few very marginal performances, all 3 chimed in with Paula-esque fawning and gushing. There's no adult in attendance to provide producer-level critique to counter the love fests. No reality check.

    Most folks forget Simon was mainly a record producer at the highest level. Major skill set, great depth of musical and commercial expertise. Hundreds of millions rode on his critical and tough decisions in the studio.

    These three are all basically just performers, or ex-performers. Randy has done a little producing, but more as a musician, not a full-time in the studio producer. Thus they identify way too much with the performers, and it's hard for them to be articulate as to performers' shortcomings. They've been on the wrong side of the mixing console. That's what made Simon so valuable. The optimum background for an AI judge is producer, not performer.
     
  11. Jan 21, 2011 #31 of 236
    Chris Blount

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    Good points. FOX probably hates these three. The network is going to spend a fortune on airline tickets this year.

    It's going to be interesting to see what the network does with Steve Tyler when they go live. The feed is going to have to be on a long delay. :)
     
  12. Jan 21, 2011 #32 of 236
    Doug Brott

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    Apparently the Judges this year saw more talent than ever (more got past the Stadiums into the audition room). Nigel said in an interview that they started @ 10am and sometimes didn't finish until after Midnight. Seems like the odds of finding someone good was actually higher and they simply didn't have enough time to show the bad auditions this year.

    FOX makes a killing on this show .. They could probably bring a thousand people to Hollywood week and not even feel the dent .. especially considering they aren't paying Simon's exorbitant salary this year. Heck, they're one Judge down and likely (I don't know) Steven & Jennifer combined don't add up to what Simon made last year. They've got a few spare dollars.
     
  13. Jan 21, 2011 #33 of 236
    Doug Brott

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    I'll never see it .. I'm on 3 hour delay already .. :lol:

    Still, I'm sure the 7-second censor will have 4 or five people ready to push a button if necessary. :p

    Even in his work here, Steven seems like he can be a professional about it all. I doubt he'll mess up during the Live TV portion, but I'm sure when the TV is off (but the mic is still on) he'll offer some FCC-illegal commentary. :grin:
     
  14. Jan 21, 2011 #34 of 236
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    Well....

    We didn't watch last night. We're definitely skipping the audition phase, but we may pick up when it goes live. Hard to say right now. Last year was pretty rough.
     
  15. Jan 21, 2011 #35 of 236
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    Likewise. I think AI has pretty much run it's course. The concept, format, everything is just very tired. The next few seasons will just be a revolving door of judges to try and maintain interest. I think there will be a spike in the ratings early based on the new judges, but they will finish the season down in the ratings again.

    "Fonzie is fast approaching the ramp..."
     
  16. Jan 21, 2011 #36 of 236
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    Down in the ratings again? "American Idol finished its ninth season as the most-watched TV series for the sixth year running, breaking the previous record of five consecutive seasons achieved by CBS' All in the Family and NBC's The Cosby Show."
     
  17. Jan 21, 2011 #37 of 236
    Stuart Sweet

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    Understood there, but isn't it true that it's lost viewers and ratings for the last two years? Granted it's a long fall from where they are but it seems like the trend is going in the wrong direction.
     
  18. Jan 21, 2011 #38 of 236
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    It's way down this season especially in the 12-28 demo. I mean, you stick in an ugly 62 year old croaking geezer perve, a pleasant middle-aged has-been soccer mom, and an aging fat ex-rocker, and you gotta expect some serious youth decay.

    At least this year they're not gonna Barry-Manilow/Paul-Anka it up again when they get to Hellyweird. They're supposed to actually have them sing RELEVANT pop songs, things you might actually download on iTunes.

    However, it's not helping them at this audition stage to have guys singing songs in Spanish and girls singing show tunes. I like what Lopez said to one idiot who sang some crazy opera thing: "Have you ever seen this show before???"
     
  19. Jan 21, 2011 #39 of 236
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    AI is like the slowly sinking Titanic. Every year its producers say "It still towers above all the rest!"

    Yeah, that's because its stern is stuck way up in the air.
     
  20. Jan 21, 2011 #40 of 236
    sigma1914

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    Yes, it's down, but still #1. Their 26 million viewers on Wednesday & 22.9 million on Thursday are damn high.

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...y-american-idol-10th-season-starts-down/79478

     

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