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American Idol 2013

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by dettxw, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Doug Brott

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    Oh, so it's just us folks on the west coast that like her. :lol:
     
  2. Alan Gordon

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    I figured the results would be the same... :confused:

    The results were mostly "#IdolAgree" until the 5 were announced, then it swapped results.
     
  3. Doug Brott

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    I was talking about results that were showing while they were critiquing her.
     
  4. Alan Gordon

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    There was a 51%/49% poll during their critique of her... I don't really believe that was specific to her, and I don't believe she was really taken into account in the polls until later that episode when it got to the 70%/30% percentage.
     
  5. Maruuk

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    Just tuned in to tonight's show briefly. Whatever happened to the concept of diversity? 2 of the final 10 women are White? I thought I had tuned into BET. Remember when TV shows needed to represent real America more? Guess what, they still do! Love to hear these same 10 during Punk Rock week or Acoustic Alt/Rock Week! But these days, they just let'm sing whatever they want off the R&B/Urban contempo charts, right? So much for competition.

    Oh that's right, 3 African-American judges, so they're kind of letting us know what the show is about right up front. That's cool, so long as they're up front about it. It's going to be HEAVILY skewed towards the "Urban" sound. I knew there was a good reason I stopped watching this thing long ago. And they wonder why the numbers are down.
     
  6. Davenlr

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    You dont watch the NBA or NFL much do you?
     
  7. Maruuk

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    Hehehe...I'm more of an NHL guy myself....GO Sharks!
     
  8. Alan Gordon

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    Some of us don't care about what color a person is... though admittedly, I'd LOVE to have Aubrey's skin color, so maybe I do care.

    Also... your number is not only proven false by the fact there are three white women in the competition... namely Angela "Angie" Miller, Janelle Arthur, and Kree Harrison.

    There are several women who are mixed... like Aubrey Cleland, and most likely Breanna Steer.

    There's also Adriana Latonio, and possibly Tenna Torres whose ethnicities put them separate from the rest.


    I think your mind saw what it wanted to see... :rolleyes:
     
  9. Alan Gordon

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    My top FOUR of the night:

    • Angie Miller
    • Candice Glover
    • Janelle Arthur
    • Kree Harrison


    I can't figure out who I'd put fifth though...

    • Amber Holcomb
    • Aubrey Cleland
    • Tenna Torres
    • Breanna Steer
    • Adriana Latonio



    Zoanette's not included in my lists.
     
  10. Maruuk

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    So you see diversity in that? I thought diversity was a GOOD thing. You see color, I see blatant musical slant towards a particular culture and the resultant musical genres that get way overexposed. Three of the four judges are R&B artists and producers. A very specific genre. How is that diverse and conducive to advancing a diversity of musical genres among the contestants? O wait, it isn't because we end up with a great preponderance of R&B/Urban contempo specialists. I say this show is perfect for BET, but why is it on a regular network as slanted as it is?

    You're either for diversity, or against it. I want to see a spread of musical genres represented equally, not a pressure to excel at one narrow genre that just happens to be the specialty of 3 of the 4 judges.

    Keyword: bias.
     
  11. Alan Gordon

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    You're the one that mentioned a person's color?! :confused:

    Well... let's see.

    I see Janelle and Kree who are "Country" artists. I see Angie who appears to be a "Pop"/"Contemporary Christian" artist, and then six artists who are either Pop or R&B.

    I say "either Pop or R&B" due to the fact that it's too early for me to classify exactly which direction they're leaning. Tenna actually performed a Country song tonight. Granted, it was "New Country", or "Country Pop", but still...

    I didn't count Zoanette above, because she defies genres... ;)

    IMO, Nicki Minaj is more of Hip-Hop/Rap artist than an R&B artist.

    Mariah Carey in my opinion has transcended R&B/Soul during her career... as much of her early stuff was very "Pop", though (unfortunately in my opinion) she has gone more Hip-Hop in her later years.

    As for Randy, not only has he worked as a musician for numerous "Pop" and "Rock" acts, but he's also worked in the "Country" genre as well as both a musician and a producer. Besides, after 12 years, Randy's more known for being "The Dawg" than being an R&B producer.


    Simon Cowell was quite adamant about not liking "Country Music," yet that didn't stop "Country" artists from trying out for "American Idol" when he was on that, or for Tate Stevens from winning "The X Factor" last year (sadly).

    Blake Shelton on "The Voice" has numerous times picked contestants from genres other than "Country" over some of his "Country" artists. In fact, on "The Voice", only Christina Aguilera seemed to have a bias toward her own genre.


    BTW... look at the artists who got the most approval from the (unanimous) judges tonight.

    Amber - ???????????
    Angie - "Pop"/"Contemporary Christian"
    Candice - "R&B/Soul"
    Janelle - "Country"
    Kree - "Country"


    I guess FOX wants a diverse programming lineup... ;)

    Unless you want the competition rigged, it's not going to be represented equally every year.

    Personally, I'd prefer to be less equal this year, as I believe there are far more talented women this year than there are men, yet we're going to be stuck with multiple men who are less talented than some of the women... all for the sake of equality/diversity.

    There were several female artists this year (mostly in the "Country" genre, but a few outside) whom I felt deserved to go farther along in the competition... particularly farther than Zoanette, but by being cut early, they can come back, so no tears here.

    I said that already... :D



    Here's how I see the Female category going after Thursday night:

    1. Angie
    2. Candice
    3. Kree
    4. Janelle
    5. Unknown

    That's 2 "Country" girls, one "Pop"/"Contemporary Christian" artist, one "R&B"/"Soul", and one... whatever.

    Some people are thinking that Adriana could sneak into the "Top 10" since she's from Alaska. Perhaps...

    If Randy's correct about them talking to the Producers about doing "Wild Cards" again, that list could obviously change, but that's my prediction.
     
  12. Maruuk

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    Actually, you started talking about color, not me. I could could care less if they're green or purple. Especially with females, there's always going to be some country pop contingent. And R&B huge. But where's hard rock? Alt/Rock? Folk? Blues? Rap? Adult Contemporary? Originals/singer/songwriter?

    The old system where they forced them through a variety of genres could get awfully forced, but it did reward versatility and general singing skills. Now they each just represent the one thing they're good at. Week after week.

    Three R&B judges and one country pop guy. Accent on the "pop" since I see zero resemblance between that crap and real country music. Resulting in only R&B and country pop singers. What a surprise. No wonder the show is headed for the scrapyard.
     
  13. Alan Gordon

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    My apologies... I was apparently confused. :confused:
     
  14. Alan Gordon

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    For me, and everyone I've spoken to, Devin Velez was the highlight of the night.

    Lazaro who is usually too "Broadway" sounding, was the second favorite.

    Curtis and Burnell came in third and fourth. I'm not a fan of Burnell. I like that one song by him, but have hated everything else.

    I like Cortez, Nick, and Paul a lot, but it wasn't their best performances.

    I hated Charlie and Vincent's performances.


    While I like some of the guys, I don't think there's a potential "American Idol" among them. I truly think it's going to be a female, and I have a few different scenarios in how that might play out.
     
  15. Maruuk

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    "American Idol crash--comes in 4th for night, scored a 3.5 adults 18-49 rating down 8 percent from last week’s 3.8."

    No surprises there, folks want diversity.
     
  16. Alan Gordon

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    Well, it appears that America's votes lined up pretty well with mine. I'm not crazy about Burnell, so I would have gone differently, but overall, I think the voting was probably SUPER right on the girls, and very fair on the guys.

    It was a VERY predictable night...

    DialIdol.com had 8 of the 10 right... they listed Aubrey instead of Amber, and Nick instead of Clifton.



    Nicki Minaj ended up being VERY happy with the girls' results though, as she tweeted after three of the girls were named:

    Between Nicki's reaction to Janelle getting through, and Keith's reaction to Angie getting through, it's apparent the judges were feeling good last night! :)
     
  17. Alan Gordon

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    I'm still going to have to claim ignorance, because I still have zero idea why we're watching two different shows. :confused:
     
  18. Henry

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    Same show ... just a different opinion. "To each their own" ... remember?
     
  19. Alan Gordon

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    "To each their own" is my motto. It's one thing to say that one is not impressed with the contestants at this point, but I just don't see this great lack of diversity.

    Sure... we're missing a Rap artists, a Reggae artist, a Rock artist, Polka, etc., but AI really hasn't had a history or Rap or Polka artists. We are missing a Rock artist this year as we usually have at least one (even if it's watered down Rock), but outside of a couple of exceptions, they rarely make it very far anyway.

    Maruuk stated before that given the new judging panel, we'd have a ton of R&B artists, but looking at the Top 10, we have probably three artist going that route.

    • 3 R&B Singers
    • 2 Country Singers
    • 1 Pop/Contemporary Christian
    • 1 Pop/Country
    • 2 Pop
    • 1 Pop/Latino

    Could there be a more diversified genre representation, yes. However, "Idol" voters have never been particularly receptive to genres outside of the above listed ones.
     
  20. Doug Brott

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    Looks like I can watch again .. Maybe some of those folks that left will come back now that the "What were they thinking?" pick is gone.
     

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