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American Idol (Top 7 - redux)

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Doug Brott, Apr 21, 2009.

Who are your favorites?

  1. Adam Lambert

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  2. Allison Iraheta

    44 vote(s)
    69.8%
  3. Anoop Desai

    33 vote(s)
    52.4%
  4. Danny Gokey

    7 vote(s)
    11.1%
  5. Kris Allen

    19 vote(s)
    30.2%
  6. Lil Rounds

    37 vote(s)
    58.7%
  7. Matt Giraud

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  1. Steve

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    Sparks's "She Works Hard..." wasn't her "moment", IMHO. Just put it up there for comparison to Kris last week.

    Her "moments" for me were "You'll Never Walk Alone", "I Who Have Nothing" and even... "This Is My Moment"! :lol:

    Just my .02. /steve
     
  2. Steve

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    According to VFTW (scroll down), Adam Lambert is "selling" pretty well, with 6 of his songs in the top 15 iTunes downloads. Not sure for what period of time that is. /steve
     
  3. QuickDrop

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    Yeah, I'm not particularly a huge Kris fan; I can just see a possibility where he could win it. At this point, I don't think it matters who wins. None of them can really be viewed as also-rans, which could have been a real possibility for both Allison and Kris early on; and there's always been that theory that it's better not to win the show as it gives the singer more control over the direction of his/her career.

    But what do I know, I was mostly disgusted by McPhee sexing-up "Over the Rainbow" and Archuletta intellectually neutering "Imagine," but it certainly worked for their fan bases.
     
  4. Henry

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    Sorry, Steve ... I should have been clearer ... I was "never" bowled over by Archuleta or Sparks.
     
  5. peak_reception

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    Thanks for posting the Sparks link Steve. I've been reading a lot on here lately about Jordin and Melinda. That was a season I didn't watch much of so I had no recollection of either one. After viewing Jordin I watched a Melinda video for comparison (her "Sway" performance). I enjoyed both of them.

    Melinda's musical personality is very strong and she was all over "Sway" in a good way. Jordin's style is more direct and she stays within herself and the song (without being karaoke) in the way I kept hoping Lil Rounds would and never could (or at least never did).

    On the limited basis of those two viewings I'd say Melinda is the more musically adventurous, and artistic. On the other hand, Jordin's direct and centered delivery is enjoyable too, not to be underestimated. Viewing those two clips makes me think I should've watched more of that season if these two represented the level of talent that year.
     
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    "Sexing up" Over The Rainbow? I suppose she did but she can't help it; she's sexy! :) As for Archuletta, he may have neutered Imagine but I doubt it came from an intellectual angle. Probably more from his youth and innocence. He certainly gave it a sweet rendition. Maybe he should've done Over The Rainbow instead of Katharine? ;)
     
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    Oh crap :( Any mentor?
     
  8. peak_reception

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    Hard to imagine Adam having an off week (barring illness etc) but i suppose anything's possible. However, it's easy to imagine him not being quite mainstream enough to take 1st Place in the end.

    Kris, on the other hand, has kind of flown under the radar for a lot of people so far. That's changing now and his performances will be more closely scrutinized. Will he hold up to the closer listen?
     
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    I doubt that Kris will have any Adam/ Allison/ or even Danny moment. If he wins it will be by being Mr. Reliable and Mr. Likeable. Nothing wrong with either of those of course.
     
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    Interesting. I wonder if she wrote that all on her own? How many Allisons are singing? ;) A live version would probably be quite different. Even if someone does their own song Simon would probably still dismiss it as karaoke :D
     
  11. peak_reception

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    Ok, last post for tonight.
    To me it looked like they were dispatching with her right away whether or not she had the lowest number of votes. It's no secret that they wanted her gone.
    Me too but Anoop is going to tap into his fan base in India and be just fine. Adam is looking strong right now but Kris or Danny could win too. Allison and Matt probably not.
    Hmmm, hadn't thought of it that way. That would explain Matt's lack of support too since he doesn't have a clear cut appeal to either shade of state.
    I agree on both counts.
     
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    If she didn't start it, McPhee certainly perfected the AI contestant using sex appeal to overcome her deficiencies. It's possible I'm confusing performances, but there something so Freudian about a woman in a low cut dress singing a song most people know from childhood while basically lying prone on stage. It's kinda funny that so many people lapped it up. Though really, good for her. I think she wanted to be an actress more than a singer anyway and she certainly acted her way into the final two.

    As for Archuleta, his neutering of Imagine definitely came from an intellectual angle. Randy Jackson actually called him on it the first time he performed it. Imagine, though, is a strange song in our culture. It's probably one of the few songs that have become a "standard" during the rock era of pop music and is widely beloved here in a country that is probably the most dogmatically Christian and capitalistic in the world, yet the whole point of the song is how great an atheistic communist utopia would be. For me, what made John Lennon solo career interesting was he married very personal or political lyrics to a 1950s era rock n' roll sound to show that musically "rocking out" didn't necessarily mean singing vapid lyrics. If he didn't like what the song said he should have found a song with lyrics he was more comfortable with. Last year, Brooke White, who adheres to the same religion as Archuleta and seemed to be personally very religious, said in interviews that there were songs she wanted to perform but after reading the lyrics realize she couldn't because they conflicted too much with her belief system, which I consider a much more honest approach than Archuleta ignoring the majority of Imagine.

    Of course, his performance probably helped to sell Lennon's original to people who might not otherwise have bought it. And there is something very subversive in turning an anti-religion song into a hymn (I might be the first ever to call David Archuleta "subversive."), but my favorite subversion of Imagine came from Paul McCartney's friend Elvis Costello, who in a song wrote, "Was it a millionaire who said 'imagine no possessions'?
     
  13. Steve

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    Well said. I never thought she was that good, and the fact that even Taylor was able to best her made watching that whole season's eliminations extremely frustrating.

    OTOH, that performance probably helped her land her rich husband. :) /steve
     
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    Thanks for the link. Enjoyed the "studio" versions of Allison's and Kris's performances even more than the TV performances.

    Her diction on the studio cut of "Hot Stuff" was much clearer, and listening to it now, I realize that song was not really age-appropriate for Allison! Not that I'm a prude, but I wonder how comfortable her parents were with their 16-year old singing those lyrics? Great performance, tho, IMHO. Still not sure why a couple of the judges disliked the arrangement. /steve
     
  16. Henry

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    I don't think anyone can argue that Kris hasn't had his moment yet. If he ever has one and when, is anyone's guess. No, I don't think he has a chance at winning, but I'd like to think he gets some sort of lasting recognition out of it.
     
  17. peak_reception

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    First of all, what deficiencies are you referring to? I'm not suggesting she didn't have them, rather am just interested in hearing what you deem them to be.
    Secondly, she was never lying down while singing the song. She was sitting on stage the first time she did it. Some opera singers manage to sing arias while lying down (for dramatic effect) but it is far from an ideal position to sing in and yields far from optimal results. Thirdly, if she was lying in a "prone" position as you say, that means lying face down which would complicate vocal projection even more ;)
    Sounds like you were never a fan :D She had strenths and weaknesses like everyone else inside and outside the show.

    If he was neutering the song for moral reasons then it came from a moral angle. If he was neutering the song for political reasons then it came from a political angle. Either way I doubt it came from David. More likely from whomever he consulted on song choice etc. Maybe his father? He certainly had a reputation of being a, shall we say, keenly interested party. David was only, what, 17 years old at the time. Seems unlikely that his major goal was to sublimate, neutralize, or commoditize John Lennon's left-wing politics. I think a better word for David would be guileless and there's certainly no crime in that for a teenager.
    Yes, most of us knew all that. It also has a soft, lyrical melody which is as easy on the ears as the politics are hard on the ears.
    Most songs on A.I. are truncated anyway. Why not edit out the politics and focus on the beautiful melody and longing sentiment? Most people don't want to be beat over the head by politics in art anyway except those who share in the political mission (for, in this case, an atheistic, communist utopia). Needless to say, most American Idol viewers are not on that mission.
    Ok, but as I say, lots of songs get trimmed for A.I. performance. The version David sang skipped over Lennon's political message, true, but we don't know that David is the one who crafted the lite version. He sang Lennon (politics) lite but the music itself was not changed so far as I know. The convergence is that Arch gave it the same yearning, longing simplicity that Lennon did without the politics. If that's "intellectually neutering" the song then so be it, but we still don't know it was David's idea.
    Ah ha! Yes, that was probably David A's real intention, to subvert and bring about the fall of World Capitalism! :D What an evil genius David Archuletta was! :lol:
     
  18. peak_reception

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    That means that he's had his moment :p (double negative pothole alert).
    I actually think he'll do very well, both in this competition and afterward. To me his voice and style will wear very well for repeat CD album listening. Adam, otoh, will not. His fans will want to see him "LIVE" to get the full Adam impact. Both will do just fine. Danny, not sure. He's not my cup 'o tea but he has his committed fans too.
     
  19. Steve

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    I disagree. I think HDG phrased it correctly. How would you say it? :) /steve
     
  20. peak_reception

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    If he meant that Kris has not had his moment yet (which his following sentence strongly suggests) then the sentence should read:

    >>> I don't think anyone can argue that Kris has had his moment yet.<<<

    Otherwise he wrote the opposite of what he meant to write. It wasn't a big deal to me (I stuck out my tongue in a fun icon) but you too are mistaken in claiming that he phrased it correctly :p

    Geez. sorry i mentioned it :(
     

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