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Discussion in 'DIRECTV - HR23 Discussion (private)' started by minorthr, Aug 17, 2008.
I tried it earlier and all it did was lock up my receiver, wouldn't play at all.
from what i know, the 1080p isn't active in this or the other HR21's (yet). thus, the reason for the lockup you had.
Yeah I know just wanted to see what would happen
Just curious did you get the channel on the HR23 or did you try it using the DIRECTV web-sight?
I don't see a "1080" channel on any of my units (including the HR20 that it should work on). I had to download mine via the web site.
Is the 1080 or some other channel working for others?
i only see it on the web-sight. dummy me didn't get the HR20's re-installed in time to download the CE. so maybe next CE I'll get to play. just hope there's still free content to try out.
I did the website trick. I also tried it on my HR20 and got the exact same issue I did with the HR23
I didn't try it on the HR23, but did try it on the HR20-700. Since I don't have a 1080p set, as expected, it down ressed to 1080i. Downloaded it fromn the web site.
I got a similar thing. My set is 1080p (paid extra for it) and works with several other 1080p sources (PS3, BlueRay, etc). Very happy with it. Downloaded test image but went to play it and got initial sound, but black screen and "Not Supported Mode" on my set.... what the heck .... went looking to find out why .....
Background (from my limited knowledge)...
True 1080p for Broadcast TV would be non-interlaced 30 fps (NTSC = 60 Hz, PAL = 50 Hz) or 1080p60 (1080p50 for PAL). Movies are 24 fps and since BlueRay mostly does movies, they more recently came out with a format for movies on BlueRay of 1080p24. But from what I can tell, the idea was that the device (Blue Ray Player) would upconvert this to 1080p60 internally and output 1080p60. But the D* unit is not upconverting (don't know if it can or not, but currently just 1080p24 is the test). So from what I can find, this is not the industry standard (see lots of issues with this in the end).
It seems that I am caught in marketing games:
1) From what I can tell D* is saying they have 1080p content because DISH said they were going to.
2) Instead of doing "true 1080p" (1080p60) they are (both?) doing the stripped down 1080p24 because true 1080p60 would require too much bandwidth.... but we still offer 1080p!
3) 1080p24 was not being done when I bought my TV (does 1080p50 and 1080p60) so even though my Blue Ray player, PS3, etc ... all work on my set (all sending 1080p60 to my set), the current test does not work on my set because it does not know what 1080p24 is.
(NOTE: Some sets might be able to have a firmware upgrade to support it. I don't believe mine does.)
It's true that DIRECTV 1080p is 1080p24... but isn't this the proper way to display a movie shot at 24fps?
In a theater ... sure, but not according to several TV manufacturers who claim this is "movie format" (24 fps) and they claim they sell Televisions that work on "TV Format" (30 fps) ... "it is a TV not a film projector" (or so I was told) ....
Samsung (which I have) indicated to me that they don't currently sell (nor have they ever sold) any consumer television set that does 24 Hz (1080p24). They indicate that this is a non-standard "television" format. It is a movie format. Hence the conversion to 1080p60 by your BlueRay player (internal to player).
Regardless, that is a large segment of consumers out there (Samsung high def set) that can't do 1080p24 (plus all the other manfacts). The bottom line is that 1080p24 is not by any means supported on most televisions made to date that support 1080p.
If you are looking at the "proper format for movies", I doubt any format of compression (MPGEG2 or 4) would be considered "proper" either. If the goal is to make available to the average consumer 1080p content, 1080p24 is NOT THE STANDARD to choose.
I did download the movie from On Demand via the 1080p test channel. I have only tried watching a few seconds of it so far, but it seems to play just fine. The Mitsu TV the HR 23 is hooked up to only receives 1080i though.
I even downloaded it onto the HR 20-700 which is hooked up to my old 27in. 18 year old SDTV Mitsu, it played ok, only issues were the picture "jitters" a bit and the audio is a teeny bit out of sync with the video.
I tired it...it downloaded fine; but only played audio and locked the system. I had to reset. My Panny is 1080p.
I tried it with Native Off locked at 1080i and it truly looked phenomenal.
i have been trying it over the weekend. all i get for the effort is a RBR.