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Another California Ban

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Dave, Mar 26, 2009.

  1. smiddy

    smiddy Tain't ogre til its ogre

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    What is the current projection, somewhere around 2050 is when oil is supposed to run out, right?

    BIOFuels! Yeah, that's the ticket! :)
     
  2. Henry

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    Blue-eyed cars are smarter than brown-eyed ... never mind. :sure:
     
  3. phrelin

    phrelin Hall Of Fame DBSTalk Club

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    Apparently we need a rule for this according to this article:
    I can't remember the last time I had any routine maintenance done that I didn't get an observation about my tires. I truthfully don't care so much about gas mileage as about safety. When all else is said and done, the tires and wheels holding them are rather crucial to me getting down the road. But I guess somebody is doing oil changes and/or smog tests without checking the tires. This is another time when I know I'm old.:nono2:
     
  4. smiddy

    smiddy Tain't ogre til its ogre

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    I used to work in a Shell Station way back in the day, we were required, in full service, to check the oil and tire pressure. I wish that type of service wasa still available at a gas station.

    I bring my cars to the dealer for periodic maintenance and part of that is to check and rotate tires, if needed. Most oil change shops are not equiped to deal with that so readily, they're more atuned to speedy oil changes. If this goes through, it will hurt some business initialaly, but may bring back a service oriented way, albeit forced services (is that a social reform?).
     
  5. hdtvfan0001

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    I guess we'll be seing white interiors only and white tires on cars to complete the whole cycle of "californicreation". :D
     
  6. smiddy

    smiddy Tain't ogre til its ogre

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    you say that tongue and cheeck, but there is a tinge of trueth to it. California usually paves the way for social reforms, especially from an environmental standpoint. It wouldn't surprise me if other states begin adopting some of these same measures. First to follow will likely be Washington...however there it is not so much heat as it is cold, so maybe they have to have black cars there? Interesting. ;)
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    Somewhere I seem to remember 1 out of 4 cars are driving on low air pressure.
    The next thing that comes to mind is who will be checking the tire gauges used? I can see both over & under inflation going on.

    Another thing: Since heating the interior is a by-product from cooling the engine, and is heat that otherwise would go to the radiator, I can't see how it would cost energy. It would have to be extremely cold to keep the engine from coming up to temp, and thus burn more fuel. The only time I can remember anything like this was, a 300 mile trip, when it was -15 and I don't think the thermostat ever opened. birrr
     
  8. durl

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    That's why this type of legislation is important to those in other states. Other states seem to view California as more enlightened and try to follow suit on such matters. These other states, however, seem to neglect the actual results of these reforms and their cost.

    All that seems to matter is that they're doing "something." Facts seem to matter little.
     
  9. Italia

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    I keep tying then erasing, typing then erasing.....I am just shocked. But shouldn't a civil rights group be upset about this?
     
  10. veryoldschool

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    :lol:
    While "we" can be screwed up, I've got to wonder why someone would "blame us" for their own state's "stupidity". The blind following the blind?

    [on the other hand]
    I can understand some interested in changes here, that would impact manufacturers changing their products line. Some of them may not want to do what car makers do with a California product and a 49 state product, but are we really that big of an 800 lbs gorilla?
     
  11. veryoldschool

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    So you're trying to suggest it's my civil right to say, drive a car that gets 2 miles to the gallon? :confused:
    [extreme I know, but just trying to understand]
     
  12. jadebox

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    A little more on that subject: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ian_douglas/blog/2009/03/27/black_car_ban_hysteria_misses_the_point

    Living here in Florida, I'd like a car with that IR-reflective paint on it!

    -- Roger
     
  13. veryoldschool

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    I'm missing something here. If IR absorption is the "real issue", why then is a white car cooler than a dark one? I thought this was due to the light energy being absorbed and then needing to radiated. Doesn't a black body radiate more heat?
     
  14. jadebox

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    The white car reflects more IR, and absorbs less, so it stays cooler.

    Yes, a black car would radiate heat better, but the source of heat (the sun) is outside the car. If there was a heat source in the car and you wanted to cool it off, you'd want a black surface.

    -- Roger
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    [thanks] so far makes sense, we used to paint race engines black for cooling.

    Now for the sun as the IR source: in the infamous greenhouse gas & global warming, the Sunlight is absorbed by the earth, which radiates IR and is trapped by the greenhouse gasses. If this is true, then why doesn't the same gasses block/reflect the IR from the sun?
     
  16. JeffChap

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    I would make that case, yes. Irresponsible maybe, but not illegal.
     
  17. harsh

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    Your application of facts to the global warming argument has been noted and you should now be looking over your shoulder.

    Facts have no place in that discussion.
     
  19. Italia

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    Ditto.
     
  20. B Newt

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    Thats why we cant get more diesel cars that get 50 -60 MPG like Europe. I hate Kalforiians frame of thinking.
     

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