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Another school board run amok

Discussion in 'The OT' started by wilbur_the_goose, May 23, 2012.

  1. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    It makes sense to separate the picture taking from the posting of photos on wide open social media. The latter is much more troublesome. At the same time, I doubt it's illegal or even stoppable. Poor judgement, esp. if they add captions such as "little Frank Zappa lives at 444 Glenwood Avenue and usually walks home at 3 pm from the Chowderhouse school"....
     
  2. Rich

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    I'm beginning to think the state legislature is made up of a bunch of people who just want to get their names in the paper and will go to extremes to do it. Can't imagine what's next.

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  3. Stewart Vernon

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    There are some free-use rights... but they can't just do anything they want.

    If someone takes a picture of you, for example, and sells that picture and they did not secure release rights from you... you could sue them for part of that money. If you see your picture in an advertisement saying "eat at Joe's" and you didn't sign with a modeling agency or sign a release and agree for your likeness to be used, then you can sue for that as well.

    I don't know exactly where the line is drawn... but there are lines... If you are out walking and the local news team comes to film something, then you might find yourself in the background on the news... BUT if Cops comes to shoot a segment and you are in the background, they either have to secure your permission OR they have to blur you out.

    The line is sometimes in a grey area... but there is still a limit to what a photographer can do with pictures he takes of you without your permission.
     
  4. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    I don't think that's true, and I'll give you an example.

    My father used to ride his Harley around the country with a group of guys (when he was in his late 50's). About 10 years ago, he was in a Harley Davidson store and they were selling a helmet with his picture on it. It was a picture someone took of him standing next to his Harley with Mount Rushmore in the background. He had never even seen the picture before, let alone signed a release. He ended up suing Harley Davidson and lost. I forget exactly why he lost (it was something about the motorcycle and mount rushmore were the intended shot and he was merely in it), but he did - he did get a free helmet.
     
  5. sigma1914

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    Another example of pictures being sol... paparazzi. They sell their pictures of celebrities without their rights.
     
  6. fluffybear

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    I believe that's correct and this why at times you will find faces blurred out as they were not able to secure the proper permission.

    However, As I am understand Rich, I could not take a picture of my kid rounding third without having a bunch of permission slips signed ahead of time saying it is OK if I get picture of their kid sitting in the dugout picking his nose.
     
  7. fluffybear

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    The federal leve l;)
     
  8. Stewart Vernon

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    Yeah... that's why I admitted it does sound excessive. I don't know where to draw that line either. It's a shame that the bad apples do spoil the bunch so that people can't go and take pictures of their kids in a baseball game without all the other stuff.
     
  9. wilbur_the_goose

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    Back to school boards. My district started school on Monday. Tomorrow is a day off. Huh?
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    I haven't read the details... but school started this week around here (for the traditional non-year-round schools) and apparently they had all sorts of bus and bus-route issues that had kids late to school and late getting home.
     
  11. Laxguy

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    Sure. But the original proposition had to do with taking pictures, which some are trying to curtail. I maintained that there are few instances where the prohibition on taking photos can be enforced.

    I also drew a distinction between taking a picture and what one does subsequently with the image, where there can be major limitations.
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    True enough... and you're right... I missed that part of the conversation... it is more difficult to stop people from taking pictures than it is to stop them from using them in many ways.

    If it is an open park, it is probably almost impossible to stop it since you could even be across the street with a zoom lens.

    I guess the only sure-fire way would be an enclosed park, and you check people at the gate and confiscate phones and cameras. I don't know if that would go over well though... and it would be an overreaction.
     
  13. Shades228

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    It all comes down to expectations of privacy. Being in public and walking down the street someone can take a picture of you if you do nothing to cover yourself as you have no expectation of privacy.

    If you are in your house and someone takes a picture from a private area which is not available to the public you have an expectation of privacy.

    For instance if you walk naked in front of your window that faces the street and sidewalk with the curtains open then you don't have an expectation of privacy as you can be seen from a public spot. (If a child sees you, you could also face criminal charges) If you walked in your bedroom window which faces a back yard then you have an expectation of privacy.

    Companies get permission or block out faces because it's cheaper to do that then deal with a law suit if someone sues them saying they profited from their likeness. However most people will sign the waiver just to get their 1-20 seconds of fame.
     
  14. fluffybear

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    To be fair, you would probably have to extend that to ALL electronics..
     
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    So does that mean that they'll get rid of all traffic and surveillance cameras since those would be photographing children in public places?
     
  16. Rich

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    Yeah, that seemed to be the consensus. The folks at 101.5 had the proposed law and went over it pretty well. With all the cell phone cameras (they are part of the proposed law, too) in use everywhere, I don't see how it could be enforceable. But that's logic and this is NJ...

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  17. Rich

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    Remember, this proposed law is for any picture taken anywhere. Parks, the beach, anywhere.

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  18. Rich

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    Probably to give the teachers a day to get over the shock... :lol:

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  19. Rich

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    After Labor Day in NJ.

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  20. Rich

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    Last time I was at the old Yankee Stadium, my brother had to leave his camera in a nearby bar in a cubby hole. Camera cost over $2,000 and my brother was really upset. It was there when the game was over. You couldn't take anything into the Stadium. I had to prove my Droid was actually a working phone. And throw a bottle of water away, even tho I was drinking from it.

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