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Anti-WHDVR / Anti-Cloud / SOD & RBAC (Genie vs. HDDVR, etc).

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by HighTechRedneck, Sep 2, 2013.

  1. The Merg

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    Based on everything I know at this point, I agree with you, and that is the solution I am looking forward to. Those things are like $3 + shipping, which is drops in the bucket.
    However, Considering DirecTV is sending me another HDDVR... That puts me at 7 tuners. If I get 1 more DVR, that'd put me at 9 tuners and force an LNB/Multiswich swap, and when that occurs, I can ask the tech if they have any of those little adapters on the truck.

    That reminds me... I had to ask the tech for the 10 pin to A/V adapters that come with the clients today. He only gave me 2. Do they not come in the box with the units?
    He also took out my barrel connectors from my wall plates (I found 1 in the Genie packaging, the rest are gone), so now I have ugly cables running through holes (in the wall plates). Oh well. I understand if he decided they would cause a problem, but really, he could've said something about it. I guess alternatively I could've said something about it, but I didn't notice 'til he was gone.


    The tech might have BSFs on his truck. They A/V adapters for the clients are not included. You can get them for $10 from Solid Signal.

    As for the barrel connectors in the wall plates being removed, that sounds like shoddy work. Did the tech run new cable through the wall plates from your splitters to the receivers?


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  2. The Merg

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    Hold on again.. ;) There is no need to bother with a bsf, because your issue is you don't want the one dvr to be seen by the others correct? That's a simple setting inside the dvr. And it will leave internet access for on demand available if you did decide you wanted it at some point, but you wouldn't have to use it either. This would allow you to control it via an ipad still to, where as if you used a bsf, you wouldn't. Not that you would, its just there's no reason to use a bsf if its simply to isolate the recordings to the one dvr...Plus, should everyone else go on vacation for a week and you have the house to your self, you could change the setting back and have the recorded stuff everywhere for the week.. But it can only be changed at the dvr with the recordings on it.


    I'd agree with that, but the OP did say that he didn't want the other receivers to have Internet access either. If that's the case and he doesn't want to use Parental Controls to prevent Internet access/PPV programming, then the BSF is the only viable solution at that point.

    I personally would tell the Genie not to share so the HR2x won't see it and set Parental Controls on the HR2x to prevent Internet/PPV.


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  3. HighTechRedneck

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    lol. I appreciate what you're thinking, but I think you missed my reply to carl6.
    For me personally, the BSF is exactly what I am looking for, and a beautiful solution. I am looking to completely isolate one or more receivers (not clients) from the internet/network.


    I will definitely be checking on the BSF's. Not that $3-$6 is a lot of money, but hey, it's money. I did not know the A/V adapters weren't included. The tech gave me 2 of them, so, hooray? Unless they show up on my bill, then less hooray...

    The tech did not run new cables. He did put new compression ends on the pre-existing cables. He then put his barrel connectors on those cables, and made smaller cables to run to the Genie & each one of the clients.


    OOOOHH, New Question time!
    The BSF only strips the MoCA (or DECA, or whatever) signal from the cable, right? The rest of the transmission still stays in place? So, I can still use a Single Wire on the DVR's?
    Whereas with my Stand-alone SWM idea, I was going to have to use 2 wires from the legacy ports.

    That's all for me tonight. I have been told it is time to go to bed (and watch the new TV service). I will definitely be checking back here. Thanks to everyone, but especially The Merg for persistently answering questions, inkahauts for persistently trying to convince me to take off my tin foil hat, and carl6 for very thoroughly explaining how the devices have to be connected!

    To steal a line I read before... "Bingo!"
     
  4. inkahauts

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    Well which DVR are you trying To isolate from who? Assuming you are isolating one DVR from the rest to keep out of the kids hands blocking Internet on it is useless IMHO which is all he's be doing with the bsf, unless he's trying to block Internet on he main system and only have it in his DVR. Then he'd need a separate DIRECTV Wired Broadband Internet Connection Kit for just his DVR. If you don't want Internet acres on any I say just unplug the dang Ethernet cable. :)

    Ill wait till I understand who you are trying to isolate from what.


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  5. The Merg

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    Well which DVR are you trying To isolate from who? Assuming you are isolating one DVR from the rest to keep out of the kids hands blocking Internet on it is useless IMHO which is all he's be doing with the bsf, unless he's trying to block Internet on he main system and only have it in his DVR. Then he'd need a separate DIRECTV Wired Broadband Internet Connection Kit for just his DVR. If you don't want Internet acres on any I say just unplug the dang Ethernet cable. :)

    Ill wait till I understand who you are trying to isolate from what.


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    The OP wants to isolate the DVR (or 2) from the rest of the house. The Genie can have Internent connectivity. If he plugs an Ethernet cable into the Genie that is going to give Internet access to all receivers. The BSF will allow him to isolate the DVR from the rest of his network and keep it off the Internet.


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  6. inkahauts

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    The OP wants to isolate the DVR (or 2) from the rest of the house. The Genie can have Internent connectivity. If he plugs an Ethernet cable into the Genie that is going to give Internet access to all receivers. The BSF will allow him to isolate the DVR from the rest of his network and keep it off the Internet.


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    Yes I get that. What I don't get is why he wants to keep Internet access off the DVR am not the genie. Whole Home Service I get but the on demand I don't since if anything id think he'd want to keep that from the kids. Internet can hurt having it in all DVRs so I guess I'm jut trying to ins the reasoning.


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  7. HighTechRedneck

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    The Genie is in my living room. That is where my family and friends come to watch TV. I like the idea of that being connected to the internet (for now, at least...). The potential DVR is in my bedroom. There is no value to me of that being connected to anything else. There's no reason for the device in my living room to know what's in my bedroom, or vice versa. The only exception to this is that the clients have to know that the genie is there, or they can't operate.
     
  8. inkahauts

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    The Genie is in my living room. That is where my family and friends come to watch TV. I like the idea of that being connected to the internet (for now, at least...). The potential DVR is in my bedroom. There is no value to me of that being connected to anything else. There's no reason for the device in my living room to know what's in my bedroom, or vice versa. The only exception to this is that the clients have to know that the genie is there, or they can't operate.


    Well if you can guarantee that you will never ever have any chance that you'll want to watch something from the genie in your bedroom the bsf will do I but I'd still just use the software and unshare the playlist in the bedroom and use the local only option for the playlist in the bedroom and then you can always flip a setting if you want but don't have too. Plus would let you use in demand if you ever needed to for any reason. Miss a show you then grab it via in demand for example.

    Either way I think you know exactly what your options are now and I think you'll be happy either way as long as you get that DVR in the bedroom. Let us know if it works out good for ya! :)


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  9. CDJohnson25

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    Our setup: HR44-700 + 3 clients, and HR24

    I set up my system to do what you're trying to do. We have young kids that don't need to see the action/thriller/horror movies we watch, so we record them on our bedroom HR24 - which is set to NOT share it's playlist.

    Yet, IF we do want to watch a recording from the HR24 down in the family room via the Genie (or clients elsewhere), I simply pull up the HR24 settings, share playlist, and watch. When done, I reset the sharing to off.

    Manual, but don't need to change it more than once per day, so works well for us.
     
  10. HighTechRedneck

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    inkahauts, you're correct, thanks.
    CDJohnson25, thanks for your input. :)

    So, DirecTV sent me out an HR22-100 a couple days ago. I plugged it in, and it seems to be working exactly how I'd expect, but without the BSF.
    When I opened the playlist it asked about sharing my playlist and I chose no, but otherwise, it seems to work the way I'd expect.
    Do I still need a BSF for the HR22? I thought I read somewhere that certain receivers (like the D12, as one example) could be damaged by excessive voltage put out by Genie?
     
  11. inkahauts

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    How did you connect your hr22? Did you use a deca for it or just plug it into a ethernet cable going to a router? if you used a deca, no, if you plugged it into the network and there's no deca on the coax, then yes, you need a bsf.

    Glad you are liking it!
     
  12. HighTechRedneck

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    The HR22 has 3 cables connected to it. Coax, HDMI, and Power.
    It'ss connected to the dish via a single Coax down to a wall-plate in my bedroom, which goes to a closet, which is connected to what I think is an 8 port splitter, which is where the Genie, Clients, SWM PI, and CCK are all connected to.
    The HR22's ethernet ports (this one has 2) both have RJ-45 plugs in them (with no cables attached) I presume to keep out dust.
    AFAIK, the HR22 is not on the internet/network right now.
    My concern is whether or not having the HR22 connected directly to the same splitter as the Genie will cause it to have issues.
     
  13. The Merg

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    The HR22 has 3 cables connected to it. Coax, HDMI, and Power.
    It'ss connected to the dish via a single Coax down to a wall-plate in my bedroom, which goes to a closet, which is connected to what I think is an 8 port splitter, which is where the Genie, Clients, SWM PI, and CCK are all connected to.
    The HR22's ethernet ports (this one has 2) both have RJ-45 plugs in them (with no cables attached) I presume to keep out dust.
    AFAIK, the HR22 is not on the internet/network right now.
    My concern is whether or not having the HR22 connected directly to the same splitter as the Genie will cause it to have issues.


    If you don't have a DECA adapter connected to the back of the HR22 it needs a BSF. From your description, you don't have a DECA so you do need a BSF.


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  14. HighTechRedneck

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    No DECA. Looks like another call to DirecTV.
    If I were to obtain a DECA, I could use it as a BSF provided I didn't plug the ethernet cable into it, right? (Trying to remember what one of those looks like. I'm pretty sure it's exactly what I think).
     
  15. The Merg

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    Yeah. You could use it that way.


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