I usually hear the opposite. When my brother got my parents cell phones, he was very careful to get them Android in hopes they'd be able to figure it out. He knew, and I agreed, that there was no way they'd figure out i-phones. He himself switched for a time, just to switch back due to the loss of functionality and lack of common sense. Why does there need to be an entire page of forums at the CE site? There only needs to be two areas - an Announcements area where things are posted for the week and people can discuss the release there. The next Friday (or Tuesday), you make a new post that appears on top and people don't have to click click click scroll. Also an Issues area for the Directv people. It makes no sense to have it the way it is. Why are the announcements made in one area but the release notes are in the issues area?!?!? I am not alone - look how many people post in what the mods consider the "wrong" area and they get scolded. Why do the transponder updates need to be on that site at all? Why does everything get re-set every quarter? What is the difference between anticipation and discussion? None of it makes sense. My goodness - this thread was created because of the disaster of the CE site. There used to be tons of people in the CE program. Since it migrated to that mess, participation is down. It is basically designed for the mods and their friends.