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Anybody jealous of Direct tv's whole house dvr distribution ?

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by mchouse, Jul 21, 2010.

  1. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    In HD on all locations from all DBS receivers?
     
  2. GrumpyBear

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    Just noticed Dish's website has updated with in the last few weeks and, they have changed the name of the TV Everywhere Adaper, to the Sling Extender, maybe things are getting closer, or soon is getting sooner.
     
  3. GrumpyBear

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    Wouldn't be that hard to do. Home video and audio amplifiers with mulitple inputs and outputs aren't hard to find, and support HDMI over Cat 5/6, or even Component support for 150ft.
    Granted its different because two + TV's are watching the samething as the TV connected to the STB, but it works and works for lots of people, Sports Bars, Gym's and multiple, of other places.
     
  4. RAD

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    So DirecTV's been able to do that as long as Dish has, so why even mention that?

    I'm asking the HD vs. SD question because folks are saying that it's not important, I'm happy with Dish MRV. Trying to find out if they'd really think that way if that 2nd TV was now HD, would they still be happy with watching a SD signal via NTSC/coax delivery?
     
  5. GrumpyBear

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    Scooper didn't say anything about a 2nd tv output(Originally Posted by scooper
    I'm not jealous of it at all - since I have ALWAYS been able to view all DBS receivers at ALL locations in my house connected to the distribution system. As well as cable / OTA channels....),
    and all you asked was if he could see all of his DBS/STB's in HD through out the house. I just posted one way of doing it, as Scooper didn't say he was doing 1 STB with 2 independent outputs.

    I agree that, having 2 HD outputs is superior to 1 HD and the other nasty Coax. I would like to see Dish release the Sling Extender, soon, rather than sooner, but for now I will live with HD sneaker MRV, and have more flexibilty and extra features, while I wait.
     
  6. scooper

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    At this point - HD/SD is a non-issue, since I only have one HDTV and my one subbed receiver is SD only.

    If I needed HD transmission - what I would REALLY like to see is consumer affordable equipment that could do ATSC (not just QAM). even if it was limited to PCM / stereo only audio.
     
  7. James Long

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    If the moon were made of cheese, would you eat it? The second TV is SD.

    Hypothetical - If I ever get a second HDTV I'll probably put a 211 on it if I want a HD feed and not worry about getting the main HD feed to the second TV. If I ever want some sort of HD distribution I'll likely go OUTSIDE what DISH and DirecTV offer and put in a system that would also distribute anything else in the "media center".

    The Sling solution DISH is working on would do anything I would need from a satellite receiver.
     
  8. RAD

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    But he did say ALL DBS receivers from ALL locations in my house. To me that made is should like he's using an RF distribution of a SD signal and wanted to find out if he's still be happy if we're talking HD DBS STB's and TV's.

    Your response is true for distribution in your example but IMHO it doesn't fit what he said he could do with multiple STB feeding multiple TV's and the TV's being able to view content from any of them.
     
  9. RAD

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    Depends on what kind of chees it was.

    Your hypothetical response then really is saying you don't care about MRV since that 211 can't view content recorded in your HD DVR, unless your going to sneaker net an EHD.

    Again, just asking the folks that say Dish's currently available solution is still fine if that 2nd TV was a HD set. Reason is that the DirecTV MRV solution is geared to the HD customer, they have no SD MRV solution like Dish's current offering and would they still feel that what they have now would still be OK or would they be looking for another solution.
     
  10. James Long

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    Again, yes.

    Details in my previous post.
     
  11. GrumpyBear

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    I also get your point that, MRV is about having 1 STB and 2 independent HD outputs, and a Home Distribution system wont do that, as its the STB box that controls the outputs.

    For me, having a 722k in the main room, able to record 4 shows, and a 722 in the backroom able to record 3 shows, each with a 2TB EHD attached. Throw in the Wife having her own personal 1TB drive, the Oldest with her own personal 2TB drive and Youngest with her own personal 1TB drive, just gives me more flexiblity than MRV does.
    Going on the Road, with no internet access at lots of points, yet still being able to view recorded shows, is just another flexiblty over MRV from most of the competition. Everything is in HD as well.
     
  12. phrelin

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    Like many others, we really have no use for the Direct system. My wife and I rarely watch separately. Having a 722 w/Slingbox PRO HD and a 612, plus five EHD's gives sufficient flexibility.

    We have our Pany plasma in our home "theater" with both ViP's hooked to our A/V receiver. When we bought our Slingbox PRO HD and hooked it up to our 722, we junked the rest of our TV's. Now we can watch HD TV in other rooms of the house and outside on the decks around the house, all on various computers. Plus we can watch on our laptop when we're out of town.

    I'm still waiting for the App for my iPad. Now that Charlie owns Sling, "soon" has an added dimension to my life.:sure:
     
  13. Herdfan

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    I did this as well with a Borrego 8x4. But, the issue we kept running into was when 2 people wanted to watch something on the same box. We tried for each of us to have a box, but she would record something she thought would like but did it on her box. Then when I wanted to watch it, I had to wait until that box was free.

    MRV has eliminated most of those issues.
     
  14. BNUMM

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    Not jealous but after seeing it work it is making me consider getting satellite again. The HR24 is fast and because my house was wired with RG-59 it is the ideal solution. I install mostly Dish but the people I work with are amazed with the HR24 and MRV because many customers have multiple HD Tvs and really only need 1 DVR.
     
  15. TiVoPrince

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    with a high number of sources here. Still have an occaional conflict, but certainly not enough to get upset about. If we all want to watch different things in different locations there is certainly enough capacity to watch something live or recorded...

    TiVo HD = 1
    Dish VIP622 = 2
    Media Center = 5
     
  16. hoophead

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    I have been considering Uverse as soon as they make it to my area (already nearby, and have information already in hand) but I never heard of this so I asked my friend in Dallas who has had Uverse for a few years already that question. Here is his response:

    "In normal circumstances you would be allowed to have 2 HD streams, and 2 SD streams, total of 4. And you can record/watch up to 4 streams in those combinations. I commonly record 1 HD and watch 1 HD, and occasionally record 2 HD, and in that case, usually watch on SD at that time. Anything you watch that was previously recorded doesn’t count towards that.
    In certain cases, usually if you are located to far from the head end, you may only get one HD stream. They can tell you that at installation. Also they are currently beta-ing having 3 HD, 1 SD.
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  17. speedboat

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    Seems like it would be so simple to implement. My 722 is network, as are my 211k (w/DVR option). Why don't they talk to each other, and offer an option to copy or move between each other. Seems like such simple software to implement. Suppose TIVO or someone else has the patent rights.
     
  18. itzme

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    With Dtv's MRV/Whole Home streaming, Copy or Move would be an entirely unnecessary and extra time-consuming step. It'd mean you have to prepare to watch a recording, instead of just hitting "play" from a unified play list.
     
  19. James Long

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    That hasn't stopped DISH before. :D

    DirecTV receivers didn't come fresh from the factory with MRV. It took a lot of development (including testing by people in our DirecTV forums here at DBSTalk) to get MRV working to the level it is today. (Perhaps that is why the DirecTV posters here support it so much ... they have psychological ownership from helping DirecTV develop the feature.)

    I've been wanting the ViP receivers to do transfers via IP since I got my first one. So far it looks like downloading content from a central server (DISH Online) is the only development in the IP transfer of content files. I still want DISH to make their receivers aware of other receivers and allow transfers within an account. But it appears they are going Sling way and I don't see them paying to develop two methods of "multi room viewing".

    Streamed offsite viewing of your DVR content (watching something on your DVR on your iPhone / iPad, computer) seems to be the direction DISH is going instead of simply another room in the house.
     
  20. Steve

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    Not necessarily. It could be implemented to work like DirecTV's MRV. With D* MRV, when you select a remote show to play, there's a brief pause before it actually starts, while it buffers a bit of the show to memory. No reason the same can't take place on the VIP... a brief pause while it buffers a minute or two to disk.

    The downside of copying is you may not be able to quickly jump to the middle of a recording, like you can with DirecTV MRV. If the VIP client knows some of the show has already been watched, however, it's possible it can just start the copy from that point.

    The VIP "copy" could be transparent as well, meaning it automatically disappears from the client, once playback is complete.

    You'd need 2 DVR's to accomplish this on the Dish side. On the DirecTV side, you can MRV stream to diskless clients.
     

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