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Apple event: 3-7-2012

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So it looks like the iPad 3 will get announced today along with a new Apple TV.

Should be interesting.

Speculation?
 
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TBlazer07 said:
WHile I would love to agree with you the test was ridiculous. The fact they gave an iPad 2 to 2 "non-geeks" (disinterested persons) of course they wouldn't care or notice. If they gave them both devices and put them side-by-side it might make a difference. The "statictics" are totally "invalid."

Considering Gizmodo=Gawker it's understandable. They do have a hard-xx against Apple after the iPhone 4 affair. I'm no Apple fan either (read my post a few back).
I shared a legit performance comparison test in an earlier post (#266) showing all 3 versions of the iPad to date - without opinion.

As that benchmark test shows...performance on the new iPad in comparison to the iPad 2 is only nominally increased (a surprise), however, it was a smart move for Apple to improve upon their screen resolution. Overall, I suspect most new iPad users will enjoy their devices.
 
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hdtvfan0001 said:
I shared a legit performance comparison test in an earlier post (#266) showing all 3 versions of the iPad to date - without opinion.

As that benchmark test shows...performance on the new iPad in comparison to the iPad 2 is only nominally increased (a surprise), however, it was a smart move for Apple to improve upon their screen resolution. Overall, I suspect most new iPad users will enjoy their devices.
Not talking about a performance test here, just a GAWKER.COM (Gizmodo) stupid pet trick test. While it is probably correct it was statistically meaningless for making a general conclusion.

Frankly, other then the better screen which "is nice" they are the same. However for the "normal" everyday user it's really no big deal. Performance is virtually identical or (as some report) worse. The new camera is meaningless. LTE is "cool" but how much speed do you really need to surf the web, data costs in the end will go crazy with people streaming on LTE because their data will be gone quickly. Some guy said he did a test and he streamed an HD movie and it sucked up all his 2GB (ATT & VZW will LOVE that), Battery charging is horrid, it takes forever due to the much larger battery. That's going to be the next big brouhaha to keep the Apple world in a tizzy. You now have a battery almost twice a large being charged at the same rate so it should take almost twice as long to charge give or take a few.

I only upgraded because I like to have the "latest and (allegedly) greatest." I could have easily lived with the 2. Overall it really didn't mean much other than something new to play with.

I honestly can't imagine they will sell nearly as many as they did for the 2 because *MOST* people don't care.
 
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TBlazer07 said:
Not talking about a performance test here, just a GAWKER.COM (Gizmodo) stupid pet trick test. While it is probably correct it was statistically meaningless for making a general conclusion.

Frankly, other then the better screen which "is nice" they are the same. However for the "normal" everyday user it's really no big deal. Performance is virtually identical or (as some report) worse. The new camera is meaningless. LTE is "cool" but how much speed do you really need to surf the web, data costs in the end will go crazy with people streaming on LTE because their data will be gone quickly. Some guy said he did a test and he streamed an HD movie and it sucked up all his 2GB (ATT & VZW will LOVE that), Battery charging is horrid, it takes forever due to the much larger battery. That's going to be the next big brouhaha to keep the Apple world in a tizzy. You now have a battery almost twice a large being charged at the same rate so it should take almost twice as long to charge give or take a few.

I only upgraded because I like to have the "latest and (allegedly) greatest." I could have easily lived with the 2. Overall it really didn't mean much other than something new to play with.

I honestly can't imagine they will sell nearly as many as they did for the 2 because *MOST* people don't care.
I have intentionally refrained from my own observations, having spent about 1 1/2 hours with a new iPad on the first day I saw them at my local Best Buy. I came to the exact same conclusions as you...but as an owner...your views are far more valuable on this topic than mine.

I do find your observations to be interesting, candid, and consistent with some other user experiences read on the web. Thank you for sharing...as I am "scouting" the new iPad for someone who has an interest, and will simply share your post without any editorial comment on my part.
 
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#306 ·
TBlazer07 said:
Frankly, other then the better screen which "is nice" they are the same. However for the "normal" everyday user it's really no big deal.
Don't be too quick to dismiss the newer display. Most apps have not been updated yet to take advantage of the higher resolution. There is a new section in the app store with the upgraded apps.
 
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TBlazer07 said:
I honestly can't imagine they will sell nearly as many as they did for the 2 because *MOST* people don't care.
I think the people that would care are the ones in the same position I was in. I only had an iPad 1 so going to the "new" iPad is a nice upgrade. I can see where going from a 2 to "new" isn't a super leap though.

If I had already had a 2 I don't think I would have picked up a "new" iPad.
 
#308 ·
TBlazer07 said:
You now have a battery almost twice a large being charged at the same rate so it should take almost twice as long to charge give or take a few.
Even if now takes 5 hours instead of 3 hours, as long as the battery charges overnight and lasts all day, folks won't care, IMO.

After spending a few hours with it, big pluses for me, so far, are the screen and the dictation feature. Text looks spectacular and it's nice to be able to hit the microphone icon and dictate instead of type. I only wish I didn't have to be online for it to work. At some point, would be great if recognition engines could sit on the tablets instead of the cloud. I checked, though and Dragon Dictate Home for Win 7 requires 2.5 GB of disk space and 2 GB of RAM, so we're probably not going to see it running on tablets anytime soon.

My guess is because they're still the easiest tablet for a non-technical consumer to use productively (i.e., not just for e-books and videos), Apple will likely sell 40-50 million iPads in 2012, and 1/3 of those will be $399 iPad2s. I also think iPad2s alone will outsell all other tablets combined this year, including Fires and Nooks. Just my .02
 
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klang said:
Don't be too quick to dismiss the newer display. Most apps have not been updated yet to take advantage of the higher resolution. There is a new section in the app store with the upgraded apps.
I know for me, while I have one of the LTE models, the screen alone was enough for me to justify going from the iPad 2 to this one.

Image quality is very important to me and upgrading to a new model that has an improvement that is so drastic and I can notice 100% of the time I use the device, made absolute sense to me.
 
#310 ·
Steve said:
At some point, would be great if recognition engines could sit on the tablets instead of the cloud. I checked, though and Dragon Dictate Home for Win 7 requires 2.5 GB of disk space and 2 GB of RAM, so we're probably not going to see it running on tablets anytime soon.
There's already a Dragon Dictation app for the iPad, and one for the iPhone, and it's free.
 
#311 ·
RunnerFL said:
There's already a Dragon Dictation app for the iPad, and one for the iPhone, and it's free.
Ya. I used it on both my iPad2 and my iPod, but it's not stand-alone, like the Windows app. It also requires you to be on-line.

And it's not integrated into the OS, so it's not a simple keyboard alternative, like it is now with the new iPad and iOS 5.1. IIRC, you have to run the Dragon app, dictate, and then cut and paste it. It may have changed, though. Haven't tried it recently.
 
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Steve said:
Ya. I used it on both my iPad2 and my iPod, but it's not stand-alone, like the Windows app. It also requires you to be on-line.

And it's not integrated into the OS, so it's not a simple keyboard alternative, like it is now with the new iPad and iOS 5.1. IIRC, you have to run the Dragon app, dictate, and then cut and paste it. It may have changed, though. Haven't tried it recently.
Ahhh, ok. I hadn't tried it, I just knew it existed.

I just dictated my first email with my new iPad. Pretty cool but I'm not sure how much faster it is than actually typing. I type pretty fast and you still wind up going back and correcting things like changing "to" to "2" when you mean the number, not the word.
 
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RunnerFL said:
I just dictated my first email with my new iPad. Pretty cool but I'm not sure how much faster it is than actually typing. I type pretty fast and you still wind up going back and correcting things like changing "to" to "2" when you mean the number, not the word.
Ya. I'm waiting to see some detailed guidance on how to use it effectively. There may be ways around to/too/two/2, but the iPad 5.1 user guide is pretty vague. All I could find out is what I snipped below.
 

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#314 ·
Benchmarking iPads... When you factor in the 4x resolution, I wouldn't be surprised to find the new iPad only nominally faster than an iPad 2 in many things. If it was significantly faster and quad-resolution then it would probably have cost much more to develop.

I agree on the leap-frogging upgrades. I felt the same on the iPhones.

I had a 3G... the 3GS model wasn't worth running for... even though it had a video camera instead of just still-camera... but the iPhone 4 was a huge jump over the 3G so I upgraded. Similarly, the newer 4S model isn't a huge jump so I stood pat.

I wasn't really tempted for an iPad 2... but the new iPad is a much bigger leap over the original iPad so it is now tempting.
 
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Stewart Vernon said:
I agree on the leap-frogging upgrades. I felt the same on the iPhones.

I had a 3G... the 3GS model wasn't worth running for... even though it had a video camera instead of just still-camera... but the iPhone 4 was a huge jump over the 3G so I upgraded. Similarly, the newer 4S model isn't a huge jump so I stood pat.

I wasn't really tempted for an iPad 2... but the new iPad is a much bigger leap over the original iPad so it is now tempting.
Yeah, I went from 3G to 4 on iPhone and 1 to "new" on iPad. I may go to 5 on the iPhone, or I bet they call it "new" as well, depending upon the features.
 
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RunnerFL said:
Yeah, I went from 3G to 4 on iPhone and 1 to "new" on iPad. I may go to 5 on the iPhone, or I bet they call it "new" as well, depending upon the features.
Same here. My wife went from the original iPhone to the 4 to the 4S after her 4 got lost/stolen. Bought a refurb 3GS for our daughter who will get my wife's 4S when we upgrade to the "5". I expect the 5 to be a significant upgrade, specifically a larger screen.

I still haven't decided which iPad to keep; the AT&T or Verizon. Leaning to the Verizon simply for the hotspotting ability. Plus VZ has LTE in the area.
 
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klang said:
Don't be too quick to dismiss the newer display. Most apps have not been updated yet to take advantage of the higher resolution. There is a new section in the app store with the upgraded apps.
I'm not dismissing it, it is most definitely better. My point is "so what?" How does it change how you do things? It's not a game changer, and everything would have worked the same except I might see the tiny pixels with my nose 6" from the screen with the 2 instead of 1" with the 3. Everything would still work the same, same apps, same speed (or maybe more) and faster charging.

I think everyone (me included) is caught up in the hype and is trying to rationalize spending the bucks. :) If I wasn't such a sucker I would have taken the $563 bucks I got for my 16GB ATT iPad 2 and just repurchased it without the LTE (another big meh - but I do want the GPS) for $350 reconditioned from Apple with new battery, new case and full 1 yr warranty and spent the extra $200 on something else. :)
 
#319 ·
TBlazer07 said:
It's not a game changer, and everything would have worked the same except I might see the tiny pixels with my nose 6" from the screen with the 2 instead of 1" with the 3. Everything would still work the same, same apps, same speed (or maybe more) and faster charging.

I think everyone (me included) is caught up in the hype and is trying to rationalize spending the bucks. :)
It appears that ZDNET (and other similar reviews on the web) agree with your assessment:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/16-reasons-not-to-buy-a-new-ipad-including-7-that-havent-changed-from-earlier-ipads/462
 
#320 ·
TBlazer07 said:
I'm not dismissing it, it is most definitely better. My point is "so what?" How does it change how you do things? It's not a game changer, and everything would have worked the same except I might see the tiny pixels with my nose 6" from the screen with the 2 instead of 1" with the 3. Everything would still work the same, same apps, same speed (or maybe more) and faster charging.

I think everyone (me included) is caught up in the hype and is trying to rationalize spending the bucks. :) If I wasn't such a sucker I would have taken the $563 bucks I got for my 16GB ATT iPad 2 and just repurchased it without the LTE (another big meh - but I do want the GPS) for $350 reconditioned from Apple with new battery, new case and full 1 yr warranty and spent the extra $200 on something else. :)
I think the new iPad screen looks great and very much worth the price of admission. I did some reading last night and the text just pops right out. It reminds me a lot of when I went from the iPhone 3GS to the iPhone 4. Smaller objects and text are much clearer and easier to read. Also, the 4G LTE isn't just cool, it's amazing! The speeds I get on LTE are faster than my home internet connection. I agree about the data usage though and I'm just glad that I still have a grandfathered unlimited data plan.

I wouldn't call the battery charging time "horrid". It took me about 4 1/2 hours to go from 10% charge to 100%. Not bad and I also had one hell of a time draining the battery.

Sure, there is some hype surrounding the iPad, but it's only a waste of money if your enjoyment factor doesn't equal or at least come close to your expectation. The better screen and LTE were the main reasons why I made the jump and I wasn't disappointed.

Forget about the "so what" factor and enjoy your new toy. With apps getting upgraded and other things that might come down the line before the next release, at least you have the best tablet Apple has to offer right now. Just have fun for goodness sake.
 
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#323 ·
Chris Blount said:
I can easily counter several of his points but don't really feel the need. It's obvious where he is coming from. Bias in my opinion.
While im on the Android side of things I typically look at things from an unbiased view point...I will say that most if not all of the guys reasons seem to be cost related, and if thats the case, its like saying not everyone should go buy that snazzy expensive TV too...

the only reasons I found valid were the removable storage, aspect ratio not being 16x9, and maybe 1 or 2 others...
 
#324 ·
hdtvfan0001 said:
That could very well be...then again....bias is often a 2-way street.
If course but he still doesn't get it and uses the same old arguments that don't make any sense.:

Reason 10: There's still no USB port - Don't need it.
Reason 11: You still have to use iTunes too often - Duh, it's an Apple product.
Reason 12: There's still no removable storage - Don't need it.
Reason 13: Kindles are still much less expensive - Because they do less.
Reason 14: You can still only run software approved by Apple - Duh, it's an Apple product.
Reason 15: It still can't be used as a standalone computer - It wasn't meant to be.
Reason 16: Apple still won't let you write or run programs that execute programs. - Closed ecosystem for a reason.
 
#325 ·
Chris Blount said:
If course but he still doesn't get it and uses the same old arguments that don't make any sense.:

Reason 10: There's still no USB port - Don't need it.
Reason 11: You still have to use iTunes too often - Duh, it's an Apple product.
Reason 12: There's still no removable storage - Don't need it.
Reason 13: Kindles are still much less expensive - Because they do less.
Reason 14: You can still only run software approved by Apple - Duh, it's an Apple product.
Reason 15: It still can't be used as a standalone computer - It wasn't meant to be.
Reason 16: Apple still won't let you write or run programs that execute programs. - Closed ecosystem for a reason.
OKEY DOKEY.

I understand the Apple perspective. Thank you.
 
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