Apple Releases New Apple TV 4K

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  1. glrush

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    For me, the Apple TV allows for quad screen on the Sunday Ticket app. It was worth it for that feature for me. I have Roku sticks and a couple TCL TV's with the Rpku software and they work just fine.
     
  2. TheRatPatrol

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    Everything the others have said. :)

    And ESPN. I wish the other apps would do this as well, NHLCI, MLBEI, YTTV.
     
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  3. mjwagner

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    I can only speak for myself. We don’t do Roku (that’s a whole other discussion). I already had an Nvidia Shield and FireTV Stick 4k at each of my 2 main viewing locations (HT and FR). We added a ATV 4K at each of the two locations initially for PSVue Multiview (no longer required obviously but live tiles on YTTV is nice) and, more importantly, NetFlix ATMOS support. Unfortunately the current reality is, depending on your requirements, no one streaming device can do it all.
     
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  4. wmb

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    I bought one when I first started streaming about 3 or 4 years ago. Then I got two more for free from DirecTV Now. I don’t think any of the competitors were comparable back then. I saved more money in two months including the cost of the Apple TV than I would have paid to DirecTV based on my bill at the time.

    The cost of the Apple TV is relatively small over its life. Definitely cheaper than content.

    At this point, I’m not sure I would make the same choice. I would expect the built-in smart TV software to be able to be used without an external device. I know there are those that would poo-poo that idea, but at this point, I would expect this to be getting close to being mature technology.


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  5. B. Shoe

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    I'm still waiting for more unified app access across things like WebOS/TV OS before I'd drop a streaming device. Mileage varies across users/wants, but the significant other's 2020 Samsung doesn't have FOX Sports Go available, and my parents' 2017 Samsung (class model) doesn't have Disney+. That's after software updates. I share YTTV access with my sister, and her 2020 LG tends to experience a lot more dropout issues/frame dropping with YTTV.

    We're a pretty Apple-heavy household, too. So keeping all of our digital stuff in the ecosystem makes sense for a streaming device, even with in-TV offerings. Others may have better experiences running everything through the in-TV streaming apps. I just haven't had a good run with in-TV streaming apps, to date.
     
  6. wmb

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    I’m not in the market for a TV today. Maybe not in the next 5 years, but who knows. If I were buying today, smart TV OS and app coverage would be a major consideration.

    My feeling is that at this point, a separate box should not be a requirement for routine TV viewing. I’ll leave caveats for those that choose higher end experience that a modular approach can optimize.


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  7. Rich

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    I had problems with one of my boxes, problems like yours. I ended up taking it to an Apple store and they loaded fresh software onto it and the problems disappeared. That box was out of warranty and the store didn't charge me a cent.

    Rich
     
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    I always have problems with my boxes and a reset usually cures those problems.

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  9. Rich

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    I have FTV Cubes and ATVs on every set we have, and the only thing I use the Cubes for is HDMI switching. I have made the side-by-side comparisons, and the PQ is better on the ATVs. Not a huge difference in PQ, but enough for me not to use the Cubes to watch TV. The price was never an issue; I don't think the Cubes are as good as the ATVs. Of course, this is a subjective argument.

    Simply put, I've got the best devices for watching TV that Amazon has, and the ATVs are my choice. For ease of use and PQ. You truly get what you pay for in this case. As for Roku devices, I gave up on them when they went 4K. I did try all the higher-priced Rokus at the time, and the difference in performance and PQ was very noticeable. I'd use a Cube before I'd use a Roku.

    Prices? The first HD ATV I bought was the most expensive; I went for that model, a mistake. I usually paid about 140 for each ATV, and the Cubes were a bit less. But the Cubes are the best HDMI switches I've ever used; that's the only reason I have them.

    One more thing about the ATVs: I think the ATV remote is the best remote out there for streaming. The touchpad was a problem initially, but I got used to it, and I don't want to see it go away...Lloyd?

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    I’ve got both cubes and appletv. Not even the 4K one yet. Although I have ordered the new one.

    I try to like the cube but frankly it sucks. PQ isn’t even close for me. And yes I’ve tweaked the settings. I’ve started watching the 4K movies on hbo max like Wonder Woman in the cube tv in 4K and I stop and switch to the Apple TV because it has better picture quality. That should never happen no matter what. The cube was a waste of money for me as it turns out. I’ve compared many shows on them both and Apple TV wins every single time by a noticeable margin.

    Can’t wait to see how the 4K one does for me in a few weeks.
     
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  11. Rich

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    I'm gonna order one of the new boxes too. Yeah, every time I try a Cube I get the same results you do but is there a better, easier-to-use HDMI switcher out there? Every one of my sets has a Cube, and all we use them for is switching from one HDMI input to another. Worth every penny, for that one reason.

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  12. b4pjoe

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    I switch HDMI inputs between DirecTV, Amazon Cube, and Apple TV 4K using CEC. You do have to use the remote you are switching to but if you are switching to that device you probably need that remote anyway. (Have never been able to get it to work with HR24 remote though but it works fine with the remote on the HR54/C61K)
     
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    For those of you that do Apple Airplay to your Apple TV's, is it stable and does it work reliably? We used to Chrome Cast a lot of Facebook live videos and other sports stuff to our TV's from our iPhones. One of the updates that hit the iPhones last year switched everything to AirPlay and now we can't Chrome Cast anymore. It wasn't that big of a deal because we have a bunch of Roku's, and we were able to do AirPlay to our various Roku devices (streaming sticks and Roku TV's). The past few months, AirPlay on the Roku's has been really hit or miss with the majority of times being miss. Things don't start or the video drops out or the devices never connect or the device connects and then it immediately drops back to the AirPlay setup page ... Before anyone asks, yes I've rebooted everything, everything is on the most current releases, everything is on the same wireless network ...

    I'm just wondering if AirPlay on the Apple TV's is more reliable because currently, Airplay on the Roku's is terrible.
     
  14. compnurd

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    I never have an issue with airplay
     
  15. NashGuy

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    Do Google apps on your iPhone (e.g. YouTube, Google Photos, Chrome) still allow you to cast to Chromecast and Android TV devices?
     
  16. wmb

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    I use the You Tube app on the Apple TV. It works OK… I don’t watch much You Tube on the TV.

    There are no web browsers on the Apple TV. Why would anyone want to do that? The only time that it makes any sense is to watch a web only video, but on the rare occasion I do that, I use the smart TV web browser.


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  17. NashGuy

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    OK. Although I'm not asking about Apple TV. (I have one of those.)

    What I want to know about is a situation where your phone is an iPhone but your TV device is Chromecast/Android TV/Google TV. In that situation, can you cast content from the Google apps on your iPhone to the TV? What about other non-Google apps?

    I'm asking because I have a friend with an iPhone who wants to buy an inexpensive streamer with the Apple TV app for her TV. (She has a free Apple TV+ subscription and that's the one major app missing from her Comcast X1 cable box.) Both the new Roku Express 4K+ ($40) and the new Chromecast with Google TV ($50) would fit the bill. The Roku supports AirPlay (including, I suppose, the ability to cast from Apple Photos on the iPhone?) while Google's dongle obviously supports the Chromecast protocol. Not sure how much or in what situations she might want to cast content from her iPhone to the TV but I'm trying to figure out the options.

    In my experience, about the only times I care about casting from my phone are when I want to display photos, and occasionally cast music or YouTube videos. Anything else and I always initiate from the apps on the TV device using its remote control.
     
  18. Getteau

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    I looked at my iPhone again last night to make sure. iPhone 6s running IOS 14.4.2, but it was the same for my iPad running one of the 14.x variants. If I am in Chrome on my iPhone, I no longer have the ability to cast to my Sony TV through the Android Chromecast app built into the TV. The same was true for a Chromecast dongle I had on a different TV. That is the case if I'm using the mobile version of the website or if I go into Chrome and tell it to give me the full desktop version. Basically, anytime the phone starts playing video, the iPhone basically locks the phone into only displaying things via AirPlay. That's why we ended up picking up another couple of Roku streaming sticks because after the IOS update last year, Chromecast from the iPhone basically went away and AirPlay became the only option.

    Edit to add, The Facebook app and the You Tube app on the phone behave the same way.
     
  19. NashGuy

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    Hmm, weird. Google's official Chromecast webpage still shows lots of Apple iOS apps as being Chromecast-compatible. Including YouTube, Google Photos, Spotify and Pandora, plus all the major on-demand video apps. Although not Chrome or Apple Music.

    https://store.google.com/us/product/chromecast_apps?hl=en-US

    Perhaps this is the source of your issues with iOS 14?
    Chromecast users need to grant Local Network in iOS 14 - 9to5Google
     
  20. billsharpe

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    I have a Roku TV set and an old Apple TV. I can send my iPad or iPhone screen to the Roku TV directly or send it to my Apple TV, which I can then display on the Roku TV. The direct Roku TV display was added in a fairly recent update to the Roku OS on my TV set. The iPad, iPhone, Apple TV and Roku TV all have to be connected to the same network.
     

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