Are locals on 105 and 121 being phased out?

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  1. Mike500

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    Basically, Dish will eventuall free up a lot of space at the 110 slot, when they take down Mpeg2 HD programming at 110 next year at this time.

    I would suppose that such a move would help them eliminate the SuperDish.
     
  2. derwin0

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    None of Atlanta's stations are on a spotbeam. The big 4, plus UPN/WB/PBS(GPTV) are on 110 Conus. The other minor stations are 61.5 Conus.
    In Atlanta, WATL (WB) is the Jefferson Pilot affiliate for ACC games.
    WUPA (UPN) is the Jefferson Pilot affiliate for SEC games.
     
  3. Chris Freeland

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    I agree that E* could move the private business channels to 121 and 105, however the FCC will not allow the PI channels to be moved over to the FSS slots, the PI channels are a DBS requirement and moving them to the SuperDish slot would defeat the purpose of the requirement if few of the E* subs had dish's to receive those channels. I also suspect that the any Internationals on the wings not already duplicated on 121 will be relocated to 121 and or 105 to make room for more HD locals on the wings. This is how I see the future;
    105 Business channels and possibly Internationals.
    110 SD Nationals and locals, HD National's and possibly some locals.
    119 SD Nationals and locals.
    121 Business channels and Internationals.
    129 HD Nationals and locals.
    148 HD locals.
     
  4. psnarula

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    I went to theacc.com and found this page that lists JP Sports affiliates for acc games separated by state:

    http://theacc.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/06mbktvclear.html

    If you click on Georgia, it'll take you to this PDF document:

    http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/acc/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/06mbkclearga.pdf

    It shows that there are actually two JP Sports affiliates in Atlanta -- WATL (which is CONUS on 110) and WPXA (which dish network does not carry). WATL carries most of the games but not all. Grrrrrr. There is a similar situation (two JP Sports affiliates) in Greensboro. But dish carries them both so I'm really happy with the way things work right now.

    I guess I'll be forced to do something else at some point in the future as dish phases out the superdish in favor of more spotbeams. But nothing is changing right away so for now I'll just sit back and wait for things to develop. It was interesting to read the earlier post that compared spotbeams for Directv and Dish Network. One thing I do not understand is why dish network wants to phase out superdishes in favor of spotbeams. I refuse to believe that it's to keep people from getting out of market locals by "moving" -- if they cared about that they would have cracked down years ago. So what's the motivation for echostar? Is it cheaper to do spotbeams? Why not just have all locals be CONUS?

    I also notice from http://ekb.dbstalk.com/19 that Atlanta says:

    Big 4 Networks available nation wide to qualifying subscribers in "Dish Nets" package

    What is a Dish Nets package? The same webpage says that NY, LA, and Chicago also have CONUS locals. Seems like people who want NY and LA locals for HD possibilities would have an easier time just doing a "move" to one of these locations rather than deal with all the waivers.
     
  5. James Long

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    Look ma, NO hands?
    Nope. The PI channels must be on the main satellites. E* tried the 'let's put the PI channels on the wings' trick and got slapped down. The rule is a certain percentage of each slot.
     
  6. psnarula

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    what does FSS stand for?
     
  7. James Long

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    Fixed Satellite Service - It is the Ku band that is used with 105 and 121 as opposed to the slightly higher Ku frequencies used on the DBS satellites at 61.5/101/110/110/119/148 and foreign locations.
     
  8. derwin0

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    I have rarely seen a game on WPXA-14, at least not since PAX bought them.
    All ACC football games (Go Jackets)have generally always been WSB-2, WATL-36 and Fox Sports South.
    ACC basketball games are typically on WATL-36. WPXA-14 only gets them once in a blue moon, when WB programming interferes on WATL-36. WPXA has a grand total of 5 games last year <link>.
     
  9. psnarula

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    this year WPXA has seven games:

    http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/acc/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/06mbkclearga.pdf

    if i wanted to not be able to watch the games that interest me, I'd just stick with comcast sports net and my baltimore jp sports affiliate. they're the best i've ever seen at not giving me what i want to see. CSN consistenly shows Ravens Postgame Live on sunday nights instead picking up Fox Sports Net's Acc Sunday Night Hoops feed. They make up for it by replaying the games on tape delay at 1:30 in the morning. The Baltimore JP Sports affiliate isn't so bad except when there is a split signal game -- i'm pretty much guaranted to not get the game involving a team from north carolina (unless one of them is playing maryland).
     
  10. A2736

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    My locals currently are on 105 (superdish required). With the launch of E10 would I
    be able to receive internationals (Greek currently on 121 and 61) and locals on D1000?
    Thank you in advance
     
  11. James Long

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    Internationals are not moving. You'll need a wing dish pointed at 61.5° (or 148° if you could see it) or a SuperDish pointed at 121°. If you can get just the LNBs for a 121° superdish you could convert your 105° superdish once the local channels move.
     
  12. A2736

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    Thank you James great help .
     
  13. Fifty Caliber

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    I don't see 121 being phased out due to all the international content there. I would like to see 105 go away, because if your locals are on 105, it makes getting 121 rather difficult. (How many people would like TWO SuperDishes?)
     
  14. Jacob S

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    I read in another thread that Dish Network has 105 leased for 10 years. Surely they will have some sort of use for 105. Maybe the rest of the local markets will get the SuperDishes since there will not be nearly as many people in the smaller markets to install an expensive SuperDish for. Does 105 have enough space to launch the SD locals in the rest of the local markets? Maybe they will put up a second dish (61.5 or 148) for the rest of the local markets. I think a second dish is a lot easier to install than a SuperDish in many cases.
     
  15. James Long

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    I don't see E* flipping SuperDishes out of one market and into another. If they do continue to use 105 to directly reach customers it will probably be with HD locals or some other service. Most likely they will just use it for 'backhaul' feeds and business uses.
     
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    You forgot that WTBS, the Atlanta feed of the station, not the Superstation feed, is on 61.5

    However, the Superstation TBS feed is available on CONUS
     
  17. Presence

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    The only reason I "moved" from Lincoln to Omaha (NE) was because I did not want the ghastly SuperDish on a pole in my yard. Omaha is on 110, so my Dish 500 covers it.

    Not only that, Omaha's channels are better. :) That said, what's the deal -- how come Lincoln does not receive the Omaha channels in it's package, anyway? All the Omaha channels serve Lincoln as part of their broadcast area, yet Dish does not include them in their Lincoln locals package.
     
  18. James Long

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    The nation is divided up into 210 markets. Lincoln and Omaha are in different markets. Perhaps some day down the road this will get fixed (especially if the Omaha channels are significantly viewed in Lincoln).
     
  19. Presence

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    Each and every Omaha channel always says "Omaha, Lincoln, Council Bluffs" during its station identification. Pity the FCC (their fault, right?) didn't see it that way.

    Right now I'm trying to figure out how to get Dish to upgrade me to a Dish 1000 (along with a 622) here in Lincoln even though my service is in Omaha. ;)
     
  20. James Long

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    Move twice.

    Move to where you want the dish installed then move to where you want to live and take the dish with you.
     
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