Are multiple Genies kosher?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by gwolfe91938, May 14, 2016.

  1. gwolfe91938

    gwolfe91938 New Member

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    DTV says no-no to multiple HR44s on a system. Is that a technological prohibition or just one of their crummy house rules with no valid purpose. I am thoroughly disgusted with the 20's-series boxes and asked for another 44 to replace the HR24... But I'm denied. Recommendations?
     
  2. texasbrit

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    It's a technological limitation. Managing clients is completely screwed up when you have multiple genies, and it seems not to be high on DirecTV's priority list to fix that.
     
  3. dpeters11

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    And unfortunately no, not having any clients doesn't change that.

    The fact that a lot of customers would need a new LNB might have been a minor factor in it as well, but it really does mainly come down to clients.
     
  4. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    practically it is possible, as early CE tests did shows
     
  5. NR4P

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    There's also a business issue.
    One Genie with clients reduces the cost of an install by hundreds of $. Instead of more than one Genie.

    No doubt Directv is managing the average cost of a new installation and more than 1 Genie would drive that up.
    This info was public before the acquisition by AT&T but still, the economics don't change being a part of AT&T.
     
  6. Jason Whiddon

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    A big plus is, and what I just ordered, a Genie install + an HDDVR instead of a client. Means I can have backup recordings in case one craps the bed.
     
  7. Drucifer

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    Yep
     
  8. sigma1914

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    I guess you ignored post #2.
     
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  9. dpeters11

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    Well, for someone without a client, it could be considered a stupid rule, but potentially saves problems in the future, say if someone later adds 4K.
     
  10. lwilli201

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    Isn't 4K limited to only one client at a time? What if you have two 4K TV's? Eventually the server will have support more than one 4K at a time.
     
  11. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    that's why multiple HR54+C61k pairs need
     
  12. slice1900

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    I would not be looking for the limit of one Genie per account to ever change. The new platform that will replace the Genie will probably be designed around removing that limitation, which will be required if they ever hope to do away with single tuner receivers (and dual tuner DVRs) as is likely their plan.

    As for the one 4K stream per HR54, it isn't clear if that's an artificial limitation (to reduce the number of variables for support during the early days of 4K) or is a limit of the HR54 hardware/software. Regardless, the new platform will obviously support more than one 4K stream at a time, so if that limit remains intact with the HR54 you'll eventually have to upgrade if you want to expand your 4K viewing ability. It has been obvious to everyone that the HR54 was just a stopgap solution to get 4K out the door while they worked on the real future platform.
     
  13. lwilli201

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    I do not understand why Directv keeps putting out stopgap recievers. They probably know what they need in their recievers for the next 10 years. So why this peacemeal rollout of new equipment. Build a future proof reciever that will have 7-10 year service life before a new reciever has to be developed.

    Will Directv ever release a non DVR 4K reciever?
     
  14. trh

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    How do you do that when technologies keep changing as well as your owners who have their own plans? Not as easy as you think.
     
  15. slice1900

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    It is impossible to build "future proof receivers" with a 7-10 year service life. That would have required having a 4K capable device 6-9 years ago. They couldn't have built one even two years ago - there were no HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 chipsets back then.

    The Hopper 3 probably can't handle 120 fps 4K, so if ESPN starts broadcasting 4K sports in 120 fps a few years from now it will need to be replaced with a new model to handle that. I guess the Hopper 3 is a stopgap by your definition - as is every other STB ever made...
     
  16. Drucifer

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    Only for those with clients. I will NEVER get a dumb box.
     
  17. Drucifer

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    Sorry but needing a special client to get live 4K is dumb.

    I'm not interested in hearing from all rah-rah DirecTV fans that are this board. Right now, the equipment DirecTV is pushing is seriously lacking.
     
  18. dpeters11

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    I'm looking forward to the day where the client isn't needed as well, but how are the other providers dealing with live 4K? It's early days.
     
  19. Drucifer

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    Being first rarely is the best or even good.
     
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  20. dpeters11

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    Maybe, but even when someone comes in later it takes time for them to work things out, so there are times that it's good to be early while it's still fairly niche and work out some of the issues.
     

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