Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all of the of DirecTV's and Dish Network's cards marked as being the property of the respective DBS provider? According to DirecTV: When you purchase a DIRECTV System, you are provided an access card, which is similar in size and shape to a credit card. The Access Card is nontransferable and remains the property of DIRECTV at all times. The Access Card will work only with the DIRECTV Receiver it comes with, and is necessary to receive our service. Hmmmm.... what about Dish Network? Section 4-A. The Smart Card remains the property of EchoStar Communications Corporation, the corporate parent of DISH Network and any tampering or other unauthorized modification to the Smart Card is strictly prohibited and may result in, and subject you to, legal action. You agree to return the Smart Card to us upon request. If so, then how come I am seeing ads on E-bay for "P4 Virgin Cards" and "Hu Cards" for DirecTV? I don't know about DirecTV, but Dish Network says $50 for a replacement card. Some of these cards are selling for more. And if I'm seeing "Virgin Card", that can only mean one thing: Never been in the datastream, good for stealing TeeVee (with the right equipment). I just scanned e-bay just now, and here what I found: * NEW VIRGIN P4 ACCESS CARD DSS DIRECTV (Closed at $56) * Hu Card w/Broken Receiver. S&H will be $10 for just the card only, $75 for the receiver. Yeah, riiigggghhtttt. * Two seperate "Hu" cards for $65 each. * Here's something interesting. A "Dial Tone blocker" for $8.95 that allows calls in for Caller ID, but doesn't allow the receiver to dial out. Now, gee I wonder why someone would have a need for THAT??? * Oh, here's something interesting. Someone is selling a P4 card in Canada, and will express mail it via XPRESSPOST. And, this was found with just the search term "DirecTV". I am a bit cynical here. Most of the receivers were older receivers. But, unless you are in NRTC territory, I don't see why you need to purchase a used receiver when brand new receivers from on-line dealers for existing customers ranges from $49-$129. New customer? Current promotion is a four-room system for NOTHING. The only restriction is that you have to subscribe to Total Choice or above for one year. And, a quick check of e-bay for "Dishplayer" brings up a lot of Dishplayers selling for over $200. If I recall correctly, most of the DishPlayer series had the older, hackable cards. Therefore, while the receiver has been troublesome, the older card is worth it to those who steal TeeVee. Look, it's not MY responsibility to play policeman and keep an eye on the auctions. It's the DBS providers responsibility. Why don't they just say "the cards must be returned within 30 days, or your account may be suspended. Here is the pre-paid manilla envelope." I'm sure the post office would mangle the cards along the way.