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ASK DBS Talk---Next Software?

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by deweybrunner, Apr 21, 2004.

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  1. jsanders

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    That is an interesting thought. Maybe too many trips to the local pub is *why* we have so many OTA problems! How many pints are there in a 921 development cycle? :lol:
     
  2. jsanders

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    At least their isn't a beer in that guys hand.

    I remember beer vending machines at Siemens in Erlangen, Germany. Not good when you are writing code for medical diagnoses equipment like an MRI!

    If you have too many pints of beer in the programmer, the picture will seem quite fine from the 921, antenna or no antenna on the roof!

    :goodjob:
     
  3. Richard Chalk

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    I seem to recall from Mark's initial post that this forum was for the posting of bugs, feature requests, and other material that might be constructive to the project. Furthermore, he mentioned that the developers would read the items posted here, with the intent of obtaining useful information to aid in their efforts.

    I fail to see how your continuing denegration of the efforts of these people, and your slurs directed at the British population, can possibly fall into that category.

    If you were to bother reading about the HD Tivo, of which there appear to be only about 200 released, you will find a myriad of problems with it as well, and those users have waited almost six months longer than we have.

    Com on, guys, be constructive, or be quiet! Remember the old saying - "If you can't say something nice, then don't say nothin' at all"

    Richard

     
  4. jsanders

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    Richard, I think you mis-interpreted the tone of what I was saying. I was referring mostly to my own experience as a programmer in Germany which really had beer vending machines! Eldon is not in Germany.

    Now, you will notice that Throwbot showed a picture of what appeared to be one of the 921 developers, wondering if he should work on the guide code or go visit the local pub. He then showed a picture of what appears to be the Eldon building w/o the antenna. They don't use antennas or dishes there because they can't receive the signals. This is why they use 8VSB and 8PSK simulators. Throwbot was making a *joke*.

    My intent was not to put down the guys at Eldon. I did try to put a spin on the joke though.

    I'm sorry if you didn't understand that.....

    The 921 early adopters and developers have had a rough maturation curve, and sometimes it is nice to try to lighten the mood a bit!
     
  5. deweybrunner

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    Hoping, praying, and wishing for 181 sometime this week! Any indications this will happen? Sure tired of rebooting!
     
  6. keitheva

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    Actually, in my experience as a Brit programmer, the most creative code was always written after lunchtime :)

    Cheers,
    -Keith
     
  7. jsanders

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    Creativity is usually a good thing! :righton:

    As long as you don't have too much coffee! :icon_cof:
     
  8. Cheezmo

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    I just have to wonder how much further along things would be if the developers lived in the US and could use the 921 at home. I know as a developer that the things I'm most motivated to fix are the ones that impact me directly.
     
  9. jsanders

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    I think you hit the absolute biggest bottleneck with this whole development Cheezmo!

    With the simulators you have a very controlled environment. You can program in specific multipath scenarios with different distances and attenuating reflectors, etc.. That should definetly be used, however, they simply don't see the real world scenarios we are seeing with OTA. I imagine it is a lot more stable with the simulator than it is for us. It might even be close to perfect.

    They might also be stuck with the same old video feed modulating through the simulator. Kind of monotonous.

    If they don't suffer with editing timers the way we do, they won't be so motivated to fix it. If they don't have to suffer trying to use the 921 in their own livingrooms, using it in real world scenarios, it is going to take longer to fix it. Instead, we have to send in our experiences, which they can't necessarily experience themselves.

    How would you guys over there at Eldon like to cross the Atlantic for a working vacation? It might help both of us. The beer is on me!
     
  10. SimpleSimon

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    EXACTLY! The developers should be forced to use the921 as their only access to the outside world - it's be perfect in a week. :p
     
  11. jsanders

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    It does lead to some unsettling questions though... There are a few things they could have rock solid, even with their simulated environment that are not rock solid. Firewire doesn't need a simulated environment. Who knows what the real story with that is though... The user interface stuff is pretty weak in some spots, especially with regard to setting manual timers could be cleaned up easily w/o use of a simulator.

    Maybe they need to put couches in their lab to simulate the livingroom environment too! :up_to_som
     
  12. Mark Lamutt

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    The new software will get here when it gets here. It may be this week, next week, or some other week in the future. I don't know yet. When I do, and can tell you anything, I'll let you know.

    Until then, this thread is done. It may interest you to know that several of the Eldon people are currently in Denver working on this, and that when it's time for them to go home, they'll be replaced by other members of the team. Not everything happens from the other side of the pond. I do agree, though, that if more of the development had been done here, rather than there, the 921 would probably be farther along than it is now.

    With that, I'm closing the thread. If you want to continue the discussion, do so in the Dish DVR forum.
     
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