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ASU's AD blasts DirecTV on PAC-12 Contract

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by inazsully, Sep 4, 2013.

  1. sigma1914

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    We'll take your opinion, and we'll smile and nod, since your Beavers got embarrassed on the P12 network this past week. We're here for you.


    Disclaimer - This was a sarcastic joking post.
     
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  2. slice1900

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    I don't understand your point. Directv doesn't get that ad revenue, the Pac 12 network does. The loss of advertising dollars from Directv subscribers obviously hurts the Pac 12 financially in addition to not having Directv pay them the channel(s) But the loss of advertising dollars doesn't hurt Directv much at all, they're allowed to insert a few commercials here and there in the feed but its a drop in the bucket compared to what the Pac 12 would be making.

    Right now it seems that things are at a stalemate, if the Pac 12 is unwilling to lower their price, and Directv is unwilling to raise theirs, both will suffer - Pac 12 losing millions of dollars and Directv losing some potential new subscribers who decide against Directv because they lack the Pac 12 network (those who were Directv customers and were going to leave them over this mostly already have, so subscriber defections is probably a non-factor for them at this point)

    Something will have to change. Either the Pac 12 makes less money selling ads than projected because it isn't carried as widely as they projected and they decide they have to lower their price to get more eyeballs on the ads, or the Pac 12 puts so many games on the network that Directv starts losing more subscribers (among those posting here who claim they "can't live without the Pac 12 network" yet somehow are still Directv subscribers) decide they can't take it anymore and drop Directv and tell the CSR that's why they're dropping it.

    One side or the other has to decide the financial pain is too great for them and they need to change their negotiating position. Until that happens the stalemate will continue.
     
  3. pdxBeav

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    That's good because after that game I need a strong support group. :rolling:
     
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  4. inazsully

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    I don't know how much this scanerio plays into the equation but I'm from the midwest and a slightly more than casual fan. I have my teams but I do enjoy a really good match up no matter where it;s being played. Especially on a Saturday night when the major channels are showing mosly re-runs from the week and reality shows. Where do the fans living on the East Coast and the Mid-West turn to when all the local time zone games are over? I'm not saying the Pac-12 is as good as the Big 10 but they both have five terams ranked in the AP top 25. Which means you should have some good conference match ups.
     
  5. nmetro

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    The AD forgets, BTN is one channel HD slot, with part time HD for when there are conflicts. PAC !2 is seven channel HD slots; none part time. DirecTV would lose money, DISH most likely is, by not only having to pay to carry PAC 12, but also give up 7 slots to do so. HD slots are already at a premium, so what would DirecTV have to drop for PAC-12? And with it, what revenue? In the end, this is a business decision, a financial decision and an infrastructure decision.

    As for the ASU athletic director; no DirecTV; less revenue to split between the PAC-12 schools. Greed is not just for corporations, but also for athletic departments who have turned college sports into professional leagues, except they do not pay their players. The Big Ten is just as greedy, as are the other top conferences.
     
  6. fleckrj

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    The SEC has six teams in the AP top 12. By the time the last SEC game ends it is past midnight, and I go to bed. Besides, the best PAC-12 non-converence games are not on the PAC-12 network

    Wisconsin at Arizona State - ESPN or ESPN2
    Northwestern at Cal - ESPN2 (sorry Cal - Northwestern 44, Cal 30)
    Ohio State at Cal - FOX
    Tennessee at Oregon - ABC or ESPN or ESPN2 (ok - this one might not be that good - Kentucky might even beat Tennessee this year)
    Notre Dame at Stanford - FOX
    UCLA at Nebraska - ABC
    USC at Notre Dame - NBC
    Washington at Illinois - BTN
    Washington State at Auburn - EPNU (sorry Washington State - Auburn 31, Washington State 24)
     
  7. inkahauts

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    Well so far ucla was last week and usc is this week, and we don't have schedules for the next weeks after that yet since they determine them on the fly. You can bet it will be plenty of games from both teams, at least 3 each like last year. That's a lot.
     
  8. DC_SnDvl

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    I doubt that is the point of pain between the network and Directv. I might be wrong and it is the only thing standing in the way.
     
  9. Michael H..

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    I'm the UCLA Bruin in Maine.

    According to your criteria:
    1) True PAC12 fans MUST see the games
    2) (Not) True PAC12 fans just WANT to see the games...
    I would have to say I'm a distant third:
    3) (Not even a Not True) PAC12 fan... because although I watched virtually every televised non-conference or conference PAC12 contest from last year, that was not on the PAC12 network, I'm not really sure how many of those that I missed that were on the PAC12 network that I would say fell into the WANT to watch, much less MUST watch category.

    Scott and the PAC12 folks sold off every significant PAC12 contest to the outside networks, and tried to pawn off the rest to DirecTV and insist that they fill up 7 channels doing so.
    I'll watch almost any game involving UCLA, as well as STAN or ORE, but if the PAC12 network games are the ones against WSU and COL, then I'm not going to get worked up if those are the games that I have to miss.
    As a category 3) alum, I'm not even motivated enough to call or email DirecTV and complain... because not only do I understand their reasoning for passing on the PAC12 network.... I agree with it, and if I were at DirecTV, UCLA alum or not, I would do exactly the same thing.

    This is not just limited to football... or basketball.
    The same holds true for the non-revenue sports, where UCLA in particular has picked up the majority of their (nation leading) >100 NCAA championships.
    I watched all of the regional and final contests for the NCAA champion UCLA baseball team, as well as a ton of men's and women's volleyball, H2O polo, .....
    The games that counted, the playoffs, made their way off of the PAC12 network and onto the national networks.

    DirecTV not only knew the number of DirecTV PAC12 fans that were out there, but were also sure of the number of those that were category 2's... and category 3's...
    Scott and the PAC12 have urged PAC12 fans to demonstrate their displeasure with DirecTV by switching carriers, hoping to leverage their negotiating position.
    Although that strategy has been less than successful, at least they've been able to independently verify those category 2) and 3) numbers....
     
  10. daniloni

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    About the "seven channels" issue and the supposed insistence that DirecTV carry seven channels, which I've seen mentioned by several posters in the multiple PAC-12 threads, I note that Dish carries only the national feed (one channel) with alternate channels available for live football games not carried on the national feed (a conflict that I thin occurs less than 5 times per season). (Not sure if they do the same for basketball conflicts, assuming there are any.) There is no evidence that the PAC-12 is insisting on DirecTV carrying all seven networks. I believe that most cable companies outside the PAC-12 footprint (however defined) carry only the national channel. (I realize that there are theorists out there that speculate that the PAC-12 is pushing for DirecTV more onerous terms than Dish, but no one on this forum knows that one way or another.)
     
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    The SEC has six teams in the AP top 12. By the time the last SEC game ends it is past midnight, and I go to bed. Besides, the best PAC-12 non-converence games are not on the PAC-12 network

    Wisconsin at Arizona State - ESPN or ESPN2
    Northwestern at Cal - ESPN2 (sorry Cal - Northwestern 44, Cal 30)
    Ohio State at Cal - FOX
    Tennessee at Oregon - ABC or ESPN or ESPN2 (ok - this one might not be that good - Kentucky might even beat Tennessee this year)
    Notre Dame at Stanford - FOX
    UCLA at Nebraska - ABC
    USC at Notre Dame - NBC
    Washington at Illinois - BTN
    Washington State at Auburn - EPNU (sorry Washington State - Auburn 31, Washington State 24)

    This Saturday, both NorCal schools are on the PAC 12 Net with the San Jose St @ #4 Stanford being the best game. Both schools went to bowls last year and its a rivalry game for SJSU



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  12. fleckrj

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    But that is not a game that anyone other than alumni of the two schools would care about. The non-conference matchups between a PAC-12 school and Notre Dame, or a BIG10, Big 12, or SEC school will have a much larger national following. As I posted previously, all of those matchups are available without the PAC 12 network.
     
  13. inazsully

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    Not just alums. Football fans/fanatics/junkies will watch. Probably not a lot of 12 year old alums out there but a lot of 12 year old football fans. This is 2013, the decade of instant entertainment gratification, Iphones and tablets that you can watch anything anywhere. As popular as football is in this country in the age demographic 12-40 with the meriade ways to watch sports, you better offer it if it's available. I understand all the perfectly logical reasons for "D"s reluctance to carry the Pac-12 Network. But they still should and eventually wll.
     
  14. billsharpe

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    I already missed last week's USC game (FiOS doesn't carry CBS Sports Net HD) and UCLA game (PAC-12 net Saturday night). This week UCLA is off and USC game is on Fox Sports One, which FiOS carries. I haven't bothered looking at any extended PAC-12 schedule to see what other games I'd be missing this season.

    I believe the problem for both FiOS and DirecTV besides the actual price is that the PAC-12 is holding out for carriage of its network on a basic tier rather than a sports tier.
     
  15. slice1900

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    If they're holding out for the basic tier, good luck with that. I doubt any new sports networks are going to get carried on the basic tier at this point except in by more regional providers. FIOS is concentrated on the east coast, and most of those customers don't care about the Pac 12 so they're never going to put it on their basic tier.

    BTN managed to insert itself on the basic tier in some providers, but that is a feat unlikely to be repeated by any other conference network, even the SEC network. In the 5-6 years since that happened, there is a lot more attention being paid by providers to how much sports is inflating the cost of basic packages. When data shows that slightly over half their subscribers care little or nothing about sports, they can't keep adding more sports to basic tiers and increase costs even faster than ESPN and the networks are already driving it up.

    Look at what happened with FS1, they were trying to triple the rate that was being paid for Speed Channel and wanted to maintain the basic tier placement that the Speed Channel enjoyed. Hardly anyone was going along with that so Fox had to cave and maintain the same low pricing as Speed Channel for FS1 and wait until the next negotiation cycle hoping sports fans would react worse to losing FS1 than not getting a new channel they weren't familiar with.

    It is more likely that BTN, FS1 and even ESPN eventually get forced onto a sports tier with everything else than a bunch of new conference networks managing to get themselves on a basic tier. BTN has an ace up their sleeve with Fox buying a controlling interest in YES, which is pretty obviously planned to try to force BTN onto the basic tier in NYC by selling BTN and YES as an all or nothing package deal (YES carries a ton of NYC pro sports) It will be interesting to see how that negotiation plays out, which should happen over the next year. That'll tell us a lot about how these types of negotiations will go in the future - imagine NYC losing the ability to view Yankees games right before the playoffs :eek2:
     
  16. sdk009

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    I'm not an alum from any PAC 12 school, but a sports fan that wants to have as many games available to watch as possible. Only a handful of football programs have a "national" following, and defining those programs would lead to a different debate. That is a matter of perception, and nothing else. That certainly has never been a criteria for most sports fans to watch football, because if it was, the ratings would be miniscule. It certainly will not be used to determine the status of the PAC 12 NET by any carrier.
    Any football fan that is up at 11p (EDT) will certainly want to see Stanford's opening game against a quality opponent, no matter where they live or where they went to school.
     
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    Funny, last night I was watching the ASU home opener against Sacremento State. Every time you switched to the Pac-12 channel the heading at the top of the page read "Saremento State vs Arizona". Can you imagine the Big 1o Network not knowing the difference between Michigan and Michigan State?
     
  18. Bambler

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    First off, an observation: considering the strict rules around here regarding duplicate and/or misplaced threads, why is this even allowed to perpetuate?

    Secondly, the more you moan and whine about what the ASU guy has to say can mean one of two two things: (1) he's right, and DirecTV can think it can pay less than other providers OR (2) it actually bothers you.

    In any case, this relationship just isn't happening; DirecTV and the Pac-12 is like vinager and water.
     
  19. sigma1914

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    Quality? SJSU is unranked. And don't say they're quality because they went to a bowl...6 wins gets you bowl eligible.
     
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