AT&T CFO says new DirecTV service will be self-installed box instead of truck roll

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  1. Nov 17, 2018 #41 of 186
    lparsons21

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    Netflix claims 25Mbps minimum for their 4K, don't know what the others require. For HD 5-8Mbps is fine for a single stream.
     
  2. Nov 17, 2018 #42 of 186
    CTJon

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    I'll also bet there are areas that sat reception if more reliable than cable/internet. I've had 5 day internet outages in the last year.
    Locally Spectrum is pushing to install fiber access to this area of Maine so I'm sure they think they can handle the high speeds and high capacity. Of course as long as they run lines between tree branches we will always see outages. Ironically, probably because of the high latitude here the Sat dishes are almost vertical which means snow doesn't tend to stick as much on them as the do more south in the US.
     
  3. Nov 17, 2018 #43 of 186
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    I’m new to this discussion. Am I understanding correctly that DTV is ending satellite service? If so, why on earth would they do that after having invested in the massive infrastructure? Have they set a date for this? I’d go back to cable before going streaming only. My cable modem speeds aren’t stable enough for 100 percent streaming on multiple TVs.
     
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  4. Nov 17, 2018 #44 of 186
    slice1900

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    NO they are not ending satellite service. In fact they are launching a new satellite early next year. That is probably the last new one they will launch, but they shouldn't need any more replacements until around 2030.
     
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  5. Nov 18, 2018 #45 of 186
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    When you say "cable" I'll assume you don't mean Verizon FiOS, which has easily been the most reliable service I've ever had, and that includes DTV, Dish, Comcast, RCN, TWC and streaming. Reliability is unmatched with FiOS.
     
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  6. Nov 18, 2018 #46 of 186
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    Correct talking about garbage POS cable companies
    Not amazing FTTH telco providers :)

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  7. Nov 18, 2018 #47 of 186
    mario64

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    Great thank you for the clarification
     
  8. Nov 20, 2018 #48 of 186
    Bill Broderick

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    Without Net Neutrality laws preventing ISP's from throttling/capping content from a direct competitor, I don't see why companies who provide both Internet and TV services wouldn't begin to impose limits on DirecTV traffic if DirecTV were to primarily become a streaming service.
     
  9. Nov 21, 2018 #49 of 186
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    Yawn. Typical corporate marketing BS. So they will eventually get to the point of many other providers?

    I'm sure there are many younger types who they must be targeting but I'm not interested in their streaming junk. I've got a Roku 4 that I use only when I absolutely must - a few series on Amazon Prime. ONLY because that is the only way to get those programs. The picture quality is fine BUT everything else SUCKS. They can't even lip sync correctly. Trick play beyond pause is a joke (I realize that is partly due to the quality of the Amazon Prime Video app BUT streaming will ALWAYS have limitations with trick play).

    Of course IP delivered video CAN work well. DirecTV does it right with DVRs; download the entire program! Will this new stuff they are moving to have the same capability? I doubt it.

    Given that I'm moving from a metro area where I have 100mbit to a rural area with 10mbit I have even less interest in streaming. Due to recent FCC moves I might get 25mbit in the next decade. Its going to be a very long time before sat is going away - if ever.

    Now I fully appreciate the investment cost necessary to upgrade sat delivery to 4K across the board. 4K is nice. And 8K will be better. And then... The simple truth is that the marketing BS/hype is so far beyond the infrastructure capability for the foreseeable future that those will remain a niche for a very long time. I don't "need" them. This is very different from the transition from SD to HD.
     
  10. Nov 21, 2018 #50 of 186
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    I'm not a fan of streaming, but they're catering to the younger generation now. Like trying to order CDs on Amazon and sometimes you're only given a streaming option for some CDs - a few don't have an option for a MP3 version either.
     
  11. Nov 21, 2018 #51 of 186
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    I saw this new article from FierceVideo.com and it had an interesting statement.

    Deeper Dive—DirecTV soldiering on despite drastic subscriber losses | FierceVideo

    “We have no plans to discontinue satellite service. Our video strategy involves offering our customers choices in how they want to receive their video service, including via satellite, our wireline service or streaming over home broadband, regardless of their provider,” AT&T said in a statement.
     
  12. Nov 21, 2018 #52 of 186
    slice1900

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    I wonder if there have been so many false claims in the press that they were getting rid of satellite service in favor of streaming that they felt they needed to set the record straight.
     
  13. Nov 21, 2018 #53 of 186
    CraigerM

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    It also said keeping their wireline business could that mean also doing DTV over managed IPTV in addition to unmanaged IPTV? I don't see how much longer they could keep UVerseTV when they stopped ordering the boxes from Arris?
     
  14. Nov 21, 2018 #54 of 186
    James Long

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    We have no plans to discontinue satellite service. Our video strategy involves offering our customers choices in how they want to receive their video service, including via satellite, our wireline service or streaming over home broadband, regardless of their provider,” AT&T said in a statement.

    I wonder how long it will take for people to ignore such a clear statement. 10 minutes? :)
    Emphasis added to the quote just in case someone missed it.
     
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  15. Nov 21, 2018 #55 of 186
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    What? They’re going to end satellite? No way!

    The sky is falling, the sky is falling! :)
     
  16. Nov 22, 2018 #56 of 186
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    I saw that DTV Now went down today. I wonder if DTV over IP will be more reliable than DTV Now? Now I can see using the internet for TV you could have the streaming service go down in addition to the internet and the modem. I can now see what some of you were saying, with internet streaming it would be just like cable. If it went down you wouldn't know when it would come back up. With SatelliteTV you would. We got 6" of snow last Thursday and SatelliteTV didn't go out. However, would you want to get DTV over IP if it costs less than DTV over SatelliteTV?

    DIRECTV NOW is Down for Many Users - Cord Cutters News
     
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  17. Nov 24, 2018 #57 of 186
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    I for one will never reduce the bandwidth into my home. Why anyone would want to get rid of a linear stream of reliable data, and instead rely on this Spectrum gods to hopefully give them enough bandwidth is crazy.

    But obviously on the other side of the coin... think of the cities with many apartments/condos that won't/can't allow sat dishes. These places often have the best internet available (even with caps) and it would be so easy to get a OTT DirecTV box and have the service, channels, etc that you are used to. And if you move... easy. I wonder if ATT will look to consolidate the two DirecTV offerings into the future. Basically a seamless option, weather it comes from a Sat, or through your internet.

    The average customer probably won't care, and probably actually find it convenient. How many people sit 15 feet from their 40" 4k TV? Imagine how much money the will save on a truck roll, vs Fedexing someone a box.
     
  18. Nov 24, 2018 #58 of 186
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    Obviously they will want it to be "seamless" as far as the viewer goes. You will use the same clients, same remote, same GUI etc. The only difference will be in where the bits come from - satellite or your DVR's hard drive for one, via your internet connection and Directv's "cloud DVR" for the other. Other than however they may bill them differently, I'm sure their intent will be that the end user can't tell the difference 99% of the time.
     
  19. Nov 26, 2018 #59 of 186
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    I been kind of watching for news on their IPTV thing, kind of interested if they would actually try to improve picture quality. But if its no better than Uverse they can keep it. Frontier which purchased a lot of Verizon older mess also got some of the FIOS areas. Frontier copied the Uverse system from AT&T when they started their Vantage TV, which is IPTV also. It runs a constant bitrate of 3.4 using HVEC on HD. They have so many on DSL I assume that is why and way too cheap to build any kind of adapted system. I believe Uverse uses H.264 at 5.5-6M bitrate.

    So using Vantage TV on a Fios 1 gig down connection its the same as someone on DSL. I can say the system itself works well, really fast response on anything you do. Almost no delay on anything. But, the picture sucks unless on a small screen. No detail really, and people have clay faces. Cable channels like AMC or FX showing dark shows the video falls apart. Even HBO wasn't very good except on bright scenes. Regular cable for the most part isn't very good either handling the same thing but at least had more detail. Frontier using an Arris DVR 4k box.

    Directv is some better but simply not all that close compared to some types of streaming. I get HBO through Amazon and its just a lot better on a projector. Shows like Mr. Robot is way better. I rather buy the series that watch some of that on cable. So if At&t has something that is higher quality I might be somewhat interested but it would really have to be good. But I assume it will be more like their Uverse.
     
  20. Nov 27, 2018 #60 of 186
    slice1900

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    I would bet almost anything it is better than Uverse. The poor quality of Uverse's PQ is due to having to live within the limitations of DSL. Even though fiber customers don't have such bandwidth limitations they wouldn't want to have a separate headend just for them so they can saddled with that issue.

    Since Directv's new product will be starting from scratch, it will undoubtedly use HEVC compression which is very efficient. If they wanted to, they could easily exceed their satellite product's PQ. That would cost a little more, but if they think it would give them a competitive advantage they'd do it. The question is, how many people care? I doubt many do - look at how much Comcast has degraded their PQ recently, and while there is some squawking, it is from a tiny minority of customers and hasn't impacted their subscriber totals.
     

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