AT&T to offer streaming version of DirecTV

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  1. Jul 6, 2019 #401 of 545
    James Long

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    The trouble comes when the hundreds of words of speculation are not backed up by the "evidence" presented. The fact is today is July 6th ... but it would be dishonest to take that fact (today's date) and try to say "the date is a fact so everything else I say is a fact". Knowing the difference between fact and speculation is important.

    And if you read the Cord Cutters article they make that clear: "For now, these are rumors, but they are lining up with what we are hearing about AT&T’s future plans for their TV services." It is to easy to ignore the fact that most of what we "know" is rumors and speculation. Read "AT&T reportedly wants to try to move over DIRECTV customers to a cheaper streaming version to help save AT&T money." at the top of the article and never make it to the bottom of the article.

    Take a step back ... see what is actually known (with some legitimate source) vs speculation that happens to fit one's personal theory. It happens all of the time in the political world ... don't let rumor override the facts presented. Cord Cutters included the acknowledgement of rumor in their report. Don't ignore it.
     
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  2. Jul 6, 2019 #402 of 545
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    What better way to make it profitable than coaxing as many of their 20 million satellite subscribers as possible to switch?
     
  3. Jul 6, 2019 #403 of 545
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    This is such a **** show, why buy a sat company and then do this to it? I get this is where many in the country are headed but not all. Just still seems like a confused, sad state of affairs.


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  4. Jul 6, 2019 #404 of 545
    compnurd

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    So while we are on the subject of yet another questionable website, there is another one i would take with a grain of salt There are no dates on those screenshots... they could be months old and things have changed they also could have been done as some internal demo's and never adopted. The layoffs website which seems filled with disgruntled ex employees also posted a bunch of crap while back about no more Sat's being launched and everyone being fired at two of there uplink stations which was all a load of crap.
     
  5. Jul 6, 2019 #405 of 545
    compnurd

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    This was going to happen eventually.. If you think Directv as a standalone would have had the money to keep launching Sat's forever you are very naive
     
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  6. Jul 6, 2019 #406 of 545
    fireponcoal

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    Not naive considering what sats cost and I understand this but why buy a sat company? Name, brand, yes I get it but it seems like they don’t even really want that any longe either. Just sell to Charlie and be done with it.


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  7. Jul 6, 2019 #407 of 545
    CraigerM

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    They bought it for the customer base so they can have better channel contract negotiations. Also use the DTV cash flow to upgrade FTTN to FTTH. UverseTV only had 6 million customers before they bought DTV.
     
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    I'm all for expanding FTTH !!! :)

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  9. Jul 6, 2019 #409 of 545
    NashGuy

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    Ha, OK. What's you alternative theory here? That someone took the time to fake those screenshots in Photoshop or Powerpoint, then post them on an obscure website frequented by current and former AT&T technicians? Is that possible? Sure, anything's possible. Is that likely? No. Let's apply Occam's Razor here.

    I'm looking forward to coming back here in the near future and quoting all those instances over the past year where you've contradicted me over and over again about AT&T's future TV plans, when it turns out that I was largely correct and you were largely wrong.
     
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  10. Jul 6, 2019 #410 of 545
    fireponcoal

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    They got a customer base in middle America without adequate internet to support a full streaming service. I agree with what you wrote though..


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  11. Jul 6, 2019 #411 of 545
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    Sure, the screenshots could be old and the rollout date could slip forward past August. But we also know that in *early June* the guy who heads up AT&T's TV and internet services said that the new TV service, which he is super-excited about, will launch in 3Q. And then we've heard AT&T's CEO recently talk about this service getting underway in the "latter half of the year". An initial soft launch in Aug (the middle of 3Q) and then a nationwide launch in 4Q comports perfectly with those *very recent* statements by AT&T leaders.
     
  12. Jul 6, 2019 #412 of 545
    NashGuy

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    Good question. I think it was a strategic mistake for AT&T to have bought DirecTV in the first place. Mainly because they bought the largest "cable TV" provider in the nation right about the time that industry was peaking, only to then enter a long-term irreversible decline thanks to the rise of direct-to-consumer streaming services like Netflix.

    I think AT&T always knew from the time that they bought DirecTV that they would ultimately transition that service off of DBS and over to some form of internet delivery that could be deployed at a lower total cost. Nothing wrong with that plan, although of course there are and will be for years to come a significant number of Americans for whom streaming TV isn't a feasible solution. But AT&T has admitted that, which is why they've said the marketing focus for DTV satellite going forward will be rural consumers.

    I'll be surprised if AT&T hasn't sold off part or all of their satellite TV business to DISH by 2023 at the latest.
     
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    James Long

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    The trouble is every other competing company also want their "20 million" satellite subscribers ... and they have just as much chance in convincing people to choose their services as AT&T has in convincing people to sign up for their new service. The only hope AT&T has is the same as all of their competitors: make their streaming offer more compelling than the competition. AT&T's "ownership" of the satellite customers (via commitments) ends when each customer leaves satellite. "Moving" people from satellite to streaming is a sales job - not simply changing the technology.
     
  14. Jul 6, 2019 #414 of 545
    James Long

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    There is no need to exaggerate to the point of lying. I did not say nor even suggest that the screen shots were fake - so don't post lies.

    What I am saying is that you should do what your friends at Cord Cutters have done: LOOK at the evidence as presented. They are willing to acknowledge what is rumor and what is not rumor. Most of what they post is acknowledged as rumor and speculation. And they use the appropriate words: "this is what we see" not "this is what WILL happen".

    If a person (not you) read those screen shots and say DIRECTV satellite is shutting down or even DIRECTV NOW is shutting down that person has read beyond the evidence presented. Even the statement "UVERSE is shutting down" would not be supported by the screen shots (end of sales in the test markets and eventually nationwide, but NOT the end of the service). But as previously stated, people (not you) with deeply held beliefs that everything else is shutting down will cling to any word that gives them hope. Just like the "anonymous" person who posted the confidential information we are discussing.

    Don't take it personally ... it isn't all about you. It is about AT&T|DIRECTV.
     
  15. Jul 6, 2019 #415 of 545
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    Monopolists like AT&T don't understand how to operate in the competitive marketplace. They don't understand that in DTV they have a very "sticky" business with extraordinary barriers to entry, just the opposite of what they are starting to experience in the streaming marketplace. After a year or so of middling "success" with their streaming ventures and continued losses at DTV perhaps we will see a revolt on the Board and the replacement of the braintrust that runs the company.
     
  16. Jul 6, 2019 #416 of 545
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    Do you have any insight as to how they will price the box - free or discounted with x month subscription?
     
  17. Jul 6, 2019 #417 of 545
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    Don't misrepresent what I have posted over and over and over again, which is: "I predict," "my guess is," and "I would speculate". Anyone who has read multiple posts by me on here -- including you -- should understand that I am not saying that I am either a psychic or someone who has been given secret inside information by AT&T. I've even gone out of my way to say, multiple times, "we'll see how much of what I predict comes true," etc.

    And to rebut the specific point you make, please check out the relevant screenshot, which I've reposted here. I'll quote the relevant bit (bold emphasis mine):

    "New U-verse IPTV sales turned off in all 9 Pilot Markets simultaneous with AT&T TV Pilot launch to support IPTV equipment planning for 2020"

    As far as my very logical prediction that AT&T will eventually shut down U-verse TV entirely, no, that isn't stated in the screenshot. That is my speculation (which is supported by more than one post by a self-identified AT&T employee at TheLayoff.com). But do you honestly believe that AT&T plans to completely stop selling U-verse TV when AT&T TV launches but then operate U-verse TV indefinitely? I don't claim to know how long they'll operate it, although I believe one employee said the plan was 3 or 4 years. At some point, there would by natural attrition be so few folks willingly left on the service, and so few functioning U-verse TV receivers in operation that the only economically reasonable thing to do will be to shut it entirely down. (Uverse TV receivers have been out of production for a long while now and the underlying Ericsson Mediaroom software platform on which the entire system runs is now more or less deprecated by Ericsson.)

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  18. Jul 6, 2019 #418 of 545
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    I think AT&T understands that cable/telco TV operators (who also offer broadband) are seeing pretty bad losses in their cable TV service. Meanwhile, DISH satellite is seeing very bad losses in their TV service. And DirecTV satellite is seeing extraordinarily bad double-plus-ungood losses in their TV service. It's bleeding subscribers like a stuck pig. It's the very opposite of sticky.

    Not really. I have my hunch, which is that they'll give it away free to those who prepay for a few months and/or commit to a few months of service. And/or they'll sell the box for a given price (e.g. $60) but then include an AT&T TV gift card in the box worth a certain amount (e.g. $30) off your monthly subscription price.

    At least one reputed AT&T employee has posted that the company wishes to get completely out of the box rental business, which makes sense to me. These little Android TV streaming boxes don't have tuners or hard drives. They're pretty cheap to mass produce. I don't think AT&T believes it's worth their while to bother with rentals, returns and refurbishments. Better to flood the market with a streaming device that has a dedicated home screen custom-designed for their AT&T TV service. I'm sure a ton of these things will turn up on eBay for cheap (assuming one actually has to pay something to get one from AT&T in the first place).
     
  19. Jul 6, 2019 #419 of 545
    James Long

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    Honestly? You need to learn better language. But there is nothing in that screen shot that gives a "definite" end to the provision of UVERSE TV to current customers nor new customers who will be signing up until "sales" in their market are turned off. If you want to call that "indefinite" then it would fit a dictionary definition.

    We agree that UVERSE will not be available infinitely. But there is no defined ending to the provision of UVERSE, DIRECTV NOW or DIRECTV satellite.
     
  20. Jul 6, 2019 #420 of 545
    CraigerM

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    Latest review on the box says its slow.

     
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