AT&T TV Launches Nationwide Feb. 2020

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  1. compnurd

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    As usual. You expect a lot but don’t expect a lot

    And also consumers are complete idiots. A very very large portion believe and expect they are getting Audi quality in a Kia

    also don’t repeat statements by ATT executives. It makes you look just as uninformed and as out of touch to what they sell as they do
     
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  2. SledgeHammer

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    ISPs weren't allowed to do "traffic shaping" under Net Neutrality, but Ajit Pai got rid of NN, so now its a free for all.
     
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  3. SledgeHammer

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    @NashGuy I was in the TMobile store today to upgrade my phone and I checked out TVision. UI is pretty nice, but the sales guy saw me looking closely at the PQ and he told me that I should go check it out at another store if PQ is important. He said they are having trouble with their ISP (AT&T LMAO!!) so the PQ is like 60% to 70% what it should be. I'll definitely do that to see if he was blowing smoke. The PQ wasn't that great. But if their ISP was jacked up, fair enough.
     
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  4. James Long

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    Please let me speak for myself instead of making completely erroneous statements attached to my name.

    If AT&T TV becomes the flagship or not, it will be a different boat than the current flagship product, DIRECTV. If one sets DIRECTV as the "par", AT&T TV as discussed is below that level, or "sub-par". Even the company leaders stated as much last year.

    We'll see what the actual released product will be when it goes nationwide. I don't expect wholesale changes that will make it considerably better than the current AT&T TV offering. People can read your posts to see what you expect.
     
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  5. compnurd

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    According to his posts I am expecting a lot more streams and channel adds within the next 1-180 months
     
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  6. NashGuy

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    OK, you let me know when DirecTV gets unlimited tuners to avoid recording conflicts, 500 hours of HD recording space, access to thousands of apps on their receivers including Netflix and YouTube, instant access to VOD content, a voice remote with Google Assistant, and the ability to access the entire service -- live TV, recordings and VOD -- away from home.

    Until DirecTV gets those features, it will be below the level of AT&T TV, or "sub-par".

    Also, here's the link to a detailed review of using the AT&T TV system (actually AT&T TV Now) with their streaming device (C71 "Osprey" box) and voice remote. This was done by a guy who also currently has DirecTV.

    Here's the link to his response where he says that he likes using AT&T TV better than DirecTV and would choose the former if the channel package and monthly cost were identical between the two.

    Doesn't sound like AT&T TV is "sub-par" relative to DirecTV based on the only in-depth comparison of the two services we've seen so far...
     
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  7. NashGuy

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    Sounds like blowing smoke. (In my experience, sales people in retail stores are usually fairly clueless about the technical details of the products and services their store offers.) Let me know what you see when you check it out elsewhere.
     
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    At this point, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt :), he wouldn't tell me to go check out another store if it was like that everywhere. Also, the sparse reviews I've seen on the service say PQ is some of the best out there. I think that review I linked you before actually mentioned that PQ drops on slower connections. When I brought up data caps, he went and asked the TVision product manager (off site supposedly) and came back with the 13 hrs of HD every day to take up 1TB.

    I think its just a hard sell much like AT&T TV or whatever they are calling it now. Not much cheaper then traditional. If somebody is fed up with traditional costs, TMobiles or T pricing isn't going to sway them.

    For me, I can't really put together an OTT package that'll cover all my channels at any price and I like the integrated "one stop shop" of traditional and whatever you want to call T & TVision.

    And some people complain about box fees, but personally I'd prefer the reduced latency that comes with a local DVR. Plus, some of the cloud DVR behaviors is "kinda out there" for how I watch TV and I think a lot of people who are still with traditional watch as well.
     
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    Thanks for the links. Read the posts and see that it appears the ATT TV is as good as DirecTV, at least according to that poster.

    But that still makes it the wrong streaming product and the wrong time. Today cable/sat is fat channel counts and fat prices, some with contracts, other not. Comparing ATT’s upcoming streaming offering shows that it is more of the same. That will fit a shrinking segment of the TV viewing market. It was interesting to see the chart in that post. It only compares the ATT offerings. And with the prices ATT wants for their new streaming service, that’s the only comparison I would want out there.

    Once this new service rolls out I expect that ATT will still see a shrinking customer count though there might be some shifting of where those that drop their sat or cable offerings to the streaming version. But overall, still more subscriber losses.

    HBO Max would seem to be the only streaming offering that would be of interest to those actually wanting to cut the cord to cut the price. The problem for ATT is that is $15 vice whatever prices their other offerings are.
     
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    I dont know what this hard on is about the thousands of apps on this box.... All is it going to take is ONE app someone uses not being on there (On Like the two big ones right now) and one App missing a feature compared to another device(not like supporting Dolby Vision or something) and then once again people will have multiple devices.. The Google Assistant piece is being WAYY overblown also
     
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    And DirecTV is going to make it easy for people to use other services? Haven't they always been against that?
     
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    How many people need "unlimited" tuners or more hours of recording space than a Genie provides? Very few. People who are using streaming apps generally already have a preferred way of accessing it, whether via their "smart" TV or a set top box. Integrating that into your AT&T set top so that you have yet another way to access them is not a factor worth considering when choosing a provider.
     
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  13. compnurd

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    Yup. I mean by his account Dish should be adding millions of subscribers each qtr since they have apps and google voice assistance
     
  14. James Long

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    We'll know in a few months if AT&T TV can meet par or not. Obviously there is a difference of opinion ... so lets see how many subscribers AT&T TV can attract. That is the real bottom line.
     
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    And those ‘unlimited tuners’ are pretty much the same for any other cable/sat replacement service.

    I agree that yet another box isn’t necessarily a plus for the user, but I makes for good marketing possibilities.

    But since many people already do some streaming with various apps, notably Netflix, Hulu & Amazon Prime, using yet more apps for other streaming services just isn’t a big step. It really is more about changing the mindset from ‘channels’ to ‘content’.
     
  16. James Long

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    I can't help but think of the DISH Hopper 3 when I read this description: "... unlimited tuners to avoid recording conflicts, 500 hours of HD recording space, access to thousands of apps on their receivers including Netflix and YouTube, instant access to VOD content, a voice remote with Google Assistant, and the ability to access the entire service -- live TV, recordings and VOD -- away from home." The Hopper 3 offers 16 tuners (advertised as "conflict free" recording).

    A key number for me is how many programs can be viewed at the same time. The smaller of number of tuners or number of clients. And the potential that DIRECTV subscribers can use HR series receivers and build a system with many tuners and additional recording space. Four TVs in use at the same time - how does AT&T TV perform? Any word from AT&T that additional streams will be available or just "hope"?
     
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    But the cord cutters went from 5+ tuners to anywhere from 1-4 streams depending on the service. Only one service I think offers an unlimited streams plan. Also the same people who watch 200 hrs of TV since that's how much can fit on a HR54.

    I still don't even get what people watch on Netflix anymore. All the hit shows got cancelled except for Stranger Things and they lost all their licensed content. It's all foreign straight to video stuff.
     
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    I still watch Netflix and never have trouble finding something to watch. Watched a couple of movies and a documentary over this past weekend.
     
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    Netflix and Amazon Prime are great, I don't care what part of the universe is coming from as long it's compelling. The people on this fantastic blue sphere we live on have a lot of interesting things to say.
     
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    This may not be exactly the correct thread, but there's discussion and comparisons to other services here, so, here goes.
    It's just my wife & I now, daughter is at college. We have a Genie 54 (with 4TB external HD), 2 HR24s, 1 RVU TV, and one other non-DVR receiver. So we are paying for a lot of locations, but they are all used at different times. Our current bill is almost $180/month. We essentially record everything except sports and news and basically build our own on-demand service. For network shows, we will record most new shows, delete them as they are cancelled, and will only start watching them to see if we like it in the spring or summer if it gets picked up for a second season. Cable shows we record, we typically know we like and will usually watch them faster. No movie channels, don't do DTV PPV, but have Netflix and Amazon Prime. I am interested in Disney+, and CBS All Access, but have not signed up yet.
    For sports, the only thing I really care about is Big10 Football (Go Hawks!), so BTN, ESPN, FS1.

    What I'm wondering, is if getting YouTubeTV, Philo, Disney+ (with Hulu & ESPN) and CBS All Access would work (reasonably well) for us? I think that is just under $90/month. My main concern is the time limitations on YouTubeTV and Philo. I think the 9 months on YoutubeTV is fine for cable shows and certainly any show we are actively watching, but for new shows that start in the fall, they will expire before using them for summer TV fodder (which would mean starting them, only to have them potentially cancelled). If you have Disney+, Hulu, and CBS All Access, does that eliminate that issue for for ABC, FOX, & CBS shows? Speaking of which, does having those streaming services eliminate much of the DVR need for those channels in general? How soon do shows show up? and are they all there? I believe all CBS shows show up on All Access later the same night? But what about ABC & FOX shows on D+ & Hulu? As for Philo, that 30 days for channels not on YTTV, is probably the worst part of this idea, but we might be able to adjust. I should add, the DVR limitations on ATT TV don't look at all workable for us. I don't mind buying Amazon Firesticks for our TVs that don't already have them. On sale, they'll pay for themselves in 3 months vs. DTV recievers. Going this route should also allow my daughter to use these services at school too. Even adding the NBC Streaming service when it launches would still be close to half what we are paying per month for DTV.

    Thoughts? and Insight into D+ & Hulu appreciated.
     

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