AT&T TV Launches Nationwide Feb. 2020

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  1. lparsons21

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    At the moment, Hulu shows today’s NBC, Fox and ABC shows the next day and then they keep them seemingly forever. Pretty handy.

    One of the ways I’m testing streaming is with Sling Blue for the 9 cable channels I just have to have, Hulu for next day on those ‘channels’ they cover and CBS All Access for theirs. Total cost for that with no ads on CBS and Hulu is about $57/month and includes Sling’s expanded DVR.

    Note that I’m not a big sports fan and can get all the sports I care to watch via OTA with an antenna or on Sling Blue.
     
  2. NashGuy

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    And if you look back and more than one post I've recently made (at least one in a direct response to you), you'll see that I don't disagree with your last sentence there. I think that replacing Uverse TV with AT&T TV and selling it alongside DirecTV (with most of the marketing effort behind AT&T TV) will help the company to reduce the rate at which it's losing cable TV subs. It will improve that division's quarterly figures. But I'm under no illusion that AT&T TV is going to sweep the land and rack up tens of millions of subscribers. Because cable TV is in long-term industry-wide decline. It doesn't matter how good a service that AT&T TV is, if the company prices it high enough to protect their profit margins (and why wouldn't they?), then it can only get so many subscribers.

    But that's a separate argument from whether or not consumers will find AT&T TV to be more attractive than DirecTV, or whether it will be marketed and perceived as a service generally on par with it (as opposed to being a compromised cut-rate "cord-cutter" service). I think it will, at least if we take NFL Sunday Ticket out of the equation. (It's likely that DirecTV will still offer NFL ST this coming fall but AT&T TV won't have it. But come 2021, I expect either both services will offer it or neither will. And I really do wonder what will happen to DirecTV's subscriber count if they no longer offer it.)

    Yes, HBO Max is what the company will offer price-sensitive cord-cutters who aren't interested in the cable bundle. It'll start out $15 with everything ad-free and then a cheaper version that includes ads on some of the content (probably the non-HBO-branded content) will roll out next year. It's clear from the non-HBO stuff that they're touting in HBO Max that they're heavily going after the under-30 crowd. They know they do well with older adults with the core HBO product but if they're going to compete with Netflix, they have to broaden out their appeal to kids, teens and young adults too.
     
  3. NashGuy

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    Take that up with the only direct head-to-head user review we have of DirecTV vs. AT&T TV with an Osprey. Let me quote:

    It was also nice having those traditional pay-TV features like dedicated channel numbers and channel surfing available alongside the modern features like streaming apps, Spotify, etc. Not having to constantly change inputs when I wanted to stream something was a huge bonus. I haven't watched a lot of Hulu and Amazon Prime Video since the launch of Disney+ and right now I have a free month of CBS All Access so I've been using those apps for the most part and having them on Osprey was so cool since I didn't have to switch inputs.

    If you think app availability is not a factor that impacts satisfaction with a cable TV provider, you're nuts. That's why Comcast has said that they want their X1 platform to compete with Roku in terms of the number of apps it supports. As more and more of the content cable TV subscribers watch shifts over to apps, it's becoming increasingly important for cable TV providers to help their customers gather it all together with their own cable TV service in one convenient user experience. TiVo has been trying to do this for years.

    Most folks probably don't need unlimited tuners or more than a couple hundred hours of recording space, true. But then most folks never have cable TV playing on more than 3 TVs in their home simultaneously, yet DirecTV fanboys on this thread keep bringing that up as though it's a reason that lots of folks would stay away from AT&T TV (despite the fact that we don't even know if AT&T TV's 3 stream limitation will remain going forward; software-based rules like that can change at any time).
     
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  4. compnurd

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    I mean that’s it. I just need one user experience to make a decision......

    And people like you, who does not have Directv, keep telling us how we should use the service

    the most popular Directv install package was the free 4 room service Yes 4. NOT 3
     
  5. SledgeHammer

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    All one has to do is look at Wall Street at streaming stocks to realize Wall Street thinks that streaming has plateaued and/or isn't going to be cost effective as fragmentation continues. Highly fragmented marketplaces DO NOT mean everybody makes a ton of money, it generally means a bunch of companies get a small piece of the pie until they go belly up as a few already have.
     
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  6. I WANT MORE

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    If they would just release the damn thing I would be able to tell you if I made a mistake by switching from D* to TV*.
     
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    The only thing I have to say about this is their CEO has repeatedly claimed that it will cost less per customer to have people on IPTV than on traditional satellite. I don't pretend to know their business, but it's quite possible that the CEO knows more than we do about what this does or doesn't cost.
     
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    I looked at it in my local TMoble store and it actually looks pretty impressive to me. It's still missing some content that I would want (specifically MSG Networks), and I don't believe there is any way to watch anything when you aren't home. They had a decent number of 4k options. Someone mentioned that it won't work with my ISP, but I haven't pursued it to know. I know TMobile's plan is to eventually sell TVision with in home 5G when that is rolled out nationally.
     
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  9. SledgeHammer

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    Agreed. Although we know satellite costs ~$600M and we know how much Disney ($2B+) & Netflix spends on infrastructure since that's all public info ;). And Disney and Netflix don't have the additional burden of custom hardware & software. Now, clearly you don't need custom hardware to stream, but I suspect TMobile and T are going that route as it lets them monetize every single stream. Where other streamers give out streams like candy and thus they are folding (well, a few have). Personally, I prefer the local DVR concept vs. cloud.
     
  10. SledgeHammer

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    Yup. I doubt the sales people would tell me "it looks much better then this if you go to a different store" if it didn't. I'd go to another store and see it looks the same? lol... I'll definitely go check it out if Rentention doesn't re-up me. I might none the less... right now, I'm coming in $10 less on DTV then it would be with TMobile. If the PQ is much better on TMobile, I might do that. I don't think you could watch on your phone or tablet if that's what you mean since additional TVs require the "minis". Like DirecTV, if you want to hook up your TV in an RV or something, I suspect you can just get a mini and VPN in to your home network, but you'd need a good internet connection for that :).
     
  11. NashGuy

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    I'm not telling anyone they should use the service. (And BTW, I have had both DirecTV and DirecTV Now in the past.) My comments are more about what I think the strengths of AT&T TV will be versus other options, how it will fare in the marketplace, how it fits into AT&T's overall business strategy, etc.

    I could care less what service any individual stranger on the internet picks for his cable TV service, or whether he even has cable TV. (I don't.)
     
  12. NashGuy

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    Did you think the HD PQ was as good as DTV? I haven't laid eyes on TVision myself. Pretty sure it's not available in my area. It's only sold in those areas where TVision has struck a distribution agreement with a local broadband provider over which it must be accessed. The whole thing is an odd duck the way it's configured. I think the main STB you get has its own cable modem in it that it relies on rather than using the separate one you have for your broadband service (although I'm not 100% sure on that).

    One of their sizzle reel videos for TVision shows a guy watching the service on a tablet while he's in the tub at home. But despite the fact that the video was released months (over a year?) ago, they have yet to come out with an app akin to the AT&T TV app that lets you access any aspect of the service on anything but their own TV-connected STBs. (However, like with any cable TV service, you can stream content from individual channels' own OTT apps, e.g. HBO Go, with your TVision login.) So no, you can't access TVision away from home, or even on your own non-TVision devices while at home.

    My hunch is that the whole thing is in a sort of suspended state while T-Mobile sorts out MUCH bigger issues that they're dealing with: the Sprint merger, and the expansion of wireless home broadband from an experiment to a real business line.
     
  13. NashGuy

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    I'll bet that the TVision mini STBs connect to the main STB via their own dedicated wireless connection, like wifi direct, rather than being able to connect via the open internet. Really doubt that you could access the service in your RV unless it was parked in your driveway.
     
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    Oh, don't bring up the argument that you can trust anything the CEO states to AT&T investors. No, no, everything he says MUST be a lie. The satellite fanboys here understand AT&T's internal economics far better than the CEO.
     
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    "Additional TVs use smaller "Lite" boxes, which connect to the gateway box through WiFi.". I guess you're right on that. Depending on how its setup, you *might* be able to proxy it... really depends on how they do it. Oh well, if I'm really out and about, I'm not going to watch DVR recordings lol, cuz, you know... I'll be out an about ;).

    Nothing to trust or not trust. It's all public information since these are all public companies.
     
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    "The main TVision gateway box, which needs a wired Ethernet connection, comes in either black or white."
     
  17. I WANT MORE

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    How about someone start a separate thread for "Tvision".
     
  18. James Long

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    He is only right when quoted by someone who agrees with him. He is wrong when the person quoting him believes something else. Regardless of if his comments are positive or negative toward satellite or streaming.
     
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    Now its been announced that HBO Max is going to YTTV!! $14.99 a month. One less reason for many to stay with AT&T's steaming service.
     
  20. NashGuy

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    We'll probably see all, or nearly all, MVPDs switch from distributing just HBO to instead distributing HBO Max. I don't think they have much choice. And given that HBO Max will be available as a standalone service for $15/mo, MVPDs will have to price it about that too. (They could probably get away with $15.99.) I expect Comcast, Charter, Verizon, Altice and Cox will all be on board with HBO Max this year.

    YTTV is noteworthy given that they had never distributed regular HBO. Hulu Live, which does already offer regular HBO, will have to follow suit. Their customers are already using app-based streaming devices and very few will pay them $15/mo for regular HBO inside the Hulu app when they could get over twice the content for the same price by getting HBO Max as a standalone service.

    Based on today's announcement, though, it sounds like the only parts of the HBO Max service that will show up inside the YTTV app will be whatever linear HBO channels they carry, plus the core HBO on-demand library. I believe that the rest of the HBO Max library -- the new line of Max Originals, theatrical movies that aren't part of HBO, TV series like Friends, South Park, Top Gear, Big Bang Theory, etc. -- will only be accessible in the actual HBO Max app. I suspect that's how it will be with all MVPDs. HBO will keep the status quo in terms of allow those MVPDs' own UIs to subsume HBO content but all the other new stuff that's exclusive to HBO Max will only be available inside the HBO Max app. I expect we'll see HBO's cable subscribers trade in the old HBO Go app for the new HBO Max app.
     

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