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aTechnology killing middle class jobs

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Cholly, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. scooper

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    Well known fact at tdiclub.com - all of us VW diesel drivers are well aware of this (IMO) stupid law, since drivers in the other 48 states CAN pump their own gas, as well as diesel in both Oregon and NJ.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

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    That's the point some keep missing... Some jobs are being almost completely eliminated. At this pace we will reach a point where the population keeps growing way faster than the pace of necessary workers... so we will have a lot of people who want stuff, but only a handful of them are needed to make the stuff... and then what?

    Seriously... it is something to think about.

    I have said before... yes, some unemployed are lazy or could learn a new skill... but... IF tomorrow ALL the unemployed showed up ready to work and could learn a new skill like "magic" in a day... there are already not enough jobs for everyone.

    So then what? You can be perfectly qualified and ready to go, and still there is no job left for you once the positions have been filled.
     
  3. Mark Holtz

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    There is a little mantra that I have.... ADAPT OR DIE! Or would you like to view a video about Life's Winning Lottery Ticket?

    That's why I'm in Toastmasters and taking college courses... so that I can adapt to change. Unfortunately, that means sacrificing a bit of a social life.
     
  4. 4HiMarks

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    You are faster and more accurate than someone who does it for a living? Well, more power to you. Do you have the price codes for the most common fruits and vegetables memorized? I sure don't, but most of the experienced cashiers do, because they see them all day long. If they don't, the one at the next aisle over probably does.

    The self-check is slow and painful as it is based on the theory that you are trying to rip them off for a $0.99 box of pasta. Stuff either doesn't scan or scans twice, then the system complains when you don't bag it immediately. And you have to bag it yourself as well. No thanks.
     
  5. 4HiMarks

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    I have no problem paying for service. I am already paying for the service of a cashier in any store, so why should I voluntarily give that up and get nothing in return? If they gave me a 5% discount to scan and bag everything myself, it might be worth it, but otherwise I'll leave it those who do it for a living.
     
  6. spartanstew

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    Yep, because the lines are always smaller or non-existent. I can walk right up to the self checkout lanes, because most people are "afraid" of them. There's always a line at the other checkout lanes. And I'm pretty fast too. I also never double scan anything or over charge for something - ever. Also easier for me to notice if things are ringing up at the right price (sales price not entered into the system correctly, for example).

    But, I also understand (and am glad) that a certain segment of the population is afraid of new technology and can't use it correctly, thereby streamlining the process for me.
     
  7. houskamp

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    I avoid self check lanes.. always seem to be one item that won't scan right..
     
  8. Rich

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    You CAN pump gas in NJ. The law clearly states that you MAY not do it. I see folks pumping their own gas quite frequently. Doing that puts the gas station at risk. They are not supposed to allow it or encourage it. I support that law for several reasons. We've got enough unemployed people in NJ without laying off hundreds (perhaps thousands) of gas station employees. Then you've got a whole lot of people who don't have a clue doing the pumping. It's not even an issue in NJ.

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  9. Rich

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    I use them at Home Depot because they always have an attendant standing by. Not so in the super markets we frequent.

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  10. RasputinAXP

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    I scan it faster than the machine likes. When I worked as a cashier at a supermarket I was easily the fastest one there by a mile.

    And you don't have to memorize the PLUs on the self-checkout lines. You push the icon for the thing you're weighing. It's really not difficult, and I appreciate people like you not using them so I can get out of there in 10 minutes with my stuff while you wait 15 to even get started.
     
  11. steve053

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    Really?? When my daughter was five she absolutely had to help me pump the gas. After three or four trips she could unscrew the cap, choose the correct grade of gasoline, and swipe the credit card. I was literally six inches from her side the entire time and I wouldn't let her handle the pump.

    Honestly, a trained chimp could pump gas.

    I can understand your not wanting to create additional unemployment; but what other unneeded/outdated jobs should we continue to subsidise? Should there be a liveryboy surcharge on your natural gas because we no longer need horses to deliver coal to heat your home? How about a vhs/beta surcharge for every netflix download to pay for all of the clerks that used to work at all the blockbusters and local vidoe rental stores?
     
  12. Hoosier205

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    Wait...there are states where you cannot pump your own gas? I had no idea...
     
  13. longrider

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    Tell me about it! The first time I was in Oregon (plus I was on a bike and as I am sure you can imagine riders are a little more careful about gas pumping) I pulled into a station, got off and started to pump. Before I even got to the tank the attendant came out running in a panic! That was how I learned about the law but fortunately the two stations I stopped in had no problem with me filling the tank as long as they watched.
     
  14. harsh

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    Both New Jersey and Oregon are pretty committed to not allowing the general populace to pump their own gas. It goes over only slightly better than proposing a sales tax in Oregon (they've failed nine times).
     
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    Fortunately for Oregon motorcyclists, the law changed on New Years 2002 to allow us to pump our own gas.

    I still hate the "no top-off" part of the regulations.
     
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    If only the gas stations were willing to offer similar training to their attendants...

    PEMCO Insurance did a study last Summer of Oregon drivers and fully 63% believed that self-serve was an idea who's time had not arrived. 70% of the women were opposed.

    In Washington (where self-service is allowed), the bias is about 40% against self-serve. Then again, Washingtonians spend up to 9.5% in sales tax.
     
  17. houskamp

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    nj has a bunch of stupid laws on gas.. can't pump your own, no promotions tied to gas (like the giveaway stuff)..
    last time I was there I was amazed at the number of desolate stations.. one I saw had full building on property that was empty. one guy in pumphouse..
     
  18. longrider

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    Glad to hear that, now maybe I will come back :) ;) My visit was obviously before that, what do you mean by "no top off"? It sounds like you ride, there is no topping off on a bike you just fill to the bottom of the filler neck. Do you have to stick the nozzle in and stop when it clicks? That would be half a tank in many cases
     
  19. Rich

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    You can do that on a bike in NJ. I always took the nozzle when filling up. The gas station attendants kinda expect it. Yeah, it is illegal, but I guess the attendants feel a bit safer letting the bikers fill up their bikes rather than doing it themselves and having an irate biker go nutz over a spill.

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  20. Rich

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    I've always been surprised that so many states allow the public to pump their own gas. Yeah, it seems simple and perhaps you could train a chimp to do a half-a**ed job of pumping, but let a small child do it in NJ and you'd be lucky to be allowed to maintain control over the child if the cops caught you. The first thing they'd do is call a social service because you've put a child in a dangerous position. If anyone thinks gasoline isn't dangerous, they're deluding themselves.

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