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Discussion in 'The OT' started by Cholly, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. Hoosier205

    Hoosier205 Active Member

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    It is simple. It doesn't seem simple. It is simple. Maybe someone should chew your food for you as well. We probably have far more incidents of people choking on their own food than issues with pumping fuel.
     
  2. Rich

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    That's the crazy part. They get no training, or a minimal amount of training.

    Since the new federal laws were passed back in the early '90s it has become mandatory that when the pump stops, the pumping procedure is over. That means that if the meter reads $10.75, it is illegal to goose the pump to round off the price. That's when you began seeing those "sleeves" on the nozzle. They are there to capture fumes so that idiots who smoke while pumping don't cause a fire. Naturally, the attendants in NJ still goose the pumps to round off prices. No training at all.

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  3. Rich

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    They seem to have reversed direction on the "no promotions" thing. We're getting them now.

    Most of those desolated stations you see were also repair shops. I have a friend who owns his own auto repair shop (no gas pumps) and I have a feeling he's sick of going to classes to maintain his certification. It's kinda hard to find good auto mechanics in NJ who run their own shops. My friend tried to branch out and opened another repair shop in another town and failed. Couldn't be in two places at once and couldn't find/keep certified mechanics. Seems like people don't trust gas station/auto repair shops.

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  4. Rich

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    Once you stick the nozzle in and start pumping, when the nozzle kicks off, you're supposed to stop pumping. By law. By a law that I've never seen enforced.

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  5. Hoosier205

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    I didn't realize NJ residents needed that much hand holding.
     
  6. Rich

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    It is simple to pump gas, it's also dangerous. You always take cheap shots at people? That's simple too. And, I'll bet you get infuriated when someone takes a shot at you.
     
  7. Rich

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    Just nasty.
     
  8. Rich

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    I believe that's a federal law, got nothing to do with what state you're in.
     
  9. harsh

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    It has been mentioned at least three times without citing the law. I think it is time for someone to come up with a citation.

    I suspect that this is one of those "laws" similar to the old one about driving barefoot.


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    A Google search yielded no hits on a federal ban. The EPA web page on topping off doesn't cite any statutes. I'm forced to conclude that the only such law that exists is the one on Oregon.
     
  10. Hoosier205

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    How many incidents have their been involving people pumping gas? Not people driving into pumps...pumping gas.
     
  11. Rich

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    I did find this: Onboard Refueling Vapor Recovery (ORVR) is a vehicle emission control system that captures fuel vapors from the vehicle gas tank during refueling. The gas tank and fill pipe are designed so that when refueling the vehicle, fuel vapors in the gas tank travel to an activated carbon packed canister, which adsorbs the vapor. When the engine is in operation, it draws the gasoline vapors into the engine intake manifold to be used as fuel. ORVR has been mandated on all passenger cars in the United States since 2006 by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. The use of onboard vapor recovery is intended to make vapor recovery at gas stations obsolete.


    I think this means the end of the sleeves on the nozzles and the end of topping off.

    But, if you Google the Clean Air Act, you'll find the info, I think. I got involved with that because I was having an above ground gas tank installed and we had to follow the provisions of that Act. That was 22 years ago, that's why I kept saying, "I think" and "I believe". I do think it's a federal reg. There's plenty of info on the EPA's site on topping off a tank.

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  12. Stewart Vernon

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    Wait... there are people who think it reasonable to refuse letting people pump their own gas because it is too dangerous... but think those same people should be permitted to have guns?

    If you aren't competent enough to pump gas into your car safely... there's a lot of other things I don't want you doing... starting with driving on the same road as me!
     
  13. Cholly

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    Not a federal law. Only Oregon and New Jersey have laws banning self serve, dating back to 1951 and 1949, respectively.
    http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/bans-gas-pumping.html
     
  14. Rich

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    I don't usually engage Moderators, but I'll do it this time. I gather your workplaces have always been relatively safe? Mine haven't. I used to work in a chemical plant and I've seen people do things that killed them. Stupid things. So, yes, I do believe we'd be safer leaving the pump in someone's hands who does that work everyday. I'll give an actual instance of how stupid people can be at a gas pump. My mother-in-law smoked constantly and said she always lit up when she got out to pump gas. I saw her do it a few times.

    If you're referring to me about people who should be permitted to own/use guns, my stance has always been if you're a member of a law enforcement agency or a veteran of the armed services you should be able to own guns and use them for hunting, etc.

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    We should also employ people to use the knives at restaurants and cut our meat for us as well. Should we hire a professional to operate our outdoor grills as well? What about lawn mowers? Should we pay someone to come to our homes and put gas in them for is as well? So I have to have someone put gas in the plastic fuel container and then another person pouring into the tank of my push mower? Wait! Should I also hire a pro to transport that to my home?
     
  17. Rich

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    In your case, probably.
     
  18. Hoosier205

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    No, that sounds more like what you want for yourself and others.
     
  19. 4HiMarks

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    It rarely takes anywhere near 15 minutes to get to the front of the line. Scanning and bagging takes longer, unless you are only buying a few items. We have a full cart. My life is not so time-dependent that I need to worry about how fast I can get through the supermarket. So what do you do with that extra five minutes you save?
     
  20. Rich

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    We usually go to a Stop and Shop that has several self checkout lines and I rarely see anyone use them. Odd thing is, the regular checkout lines are never long. We usually go on Saturdays and I never see many people in the place. Now, I'm gonna have to try one.

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