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aTechnology killing middle class jobs

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Cholly, Jan 26, 2013.

  1. Herdfan

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2006
    It is, I agree. Here in WV there is a sign at most pumps that say you need to be of licensing age (15-16) to operate the pumps.
  2. houskamp

    houskamp Active Member

    Sep 14, 2006
    if you "top off" the tank in any modern car you run risk of getting a check engine light.. EVAP system isn't designed to run past full.. also filling while engine running screws them up..
  3. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Sorry, I should have been clearer. I wasn't referring to you or any other DBSTalk poster on that front. I was referring to the people in general that probably live in those states who have conflicting points of view about what is dangerous and what isn't.

    Mostly... though one early job I had, we had some strong grease-cleaner that contained some dangerous stuff (forget the name it has been so long) and I got some splashback in my eye once (we did not have safety glasses but should have)... had to do the eye flush. Also had to flush/clean the deep-fat friers but had to balk because the machine we had contained a leaky hose that would spray hot grease randomly! And, the proposed "solution" by the manager was to repair it with duct tape! I said that not only wasn't safe but even if it somehow protected me, it would not be sanitary.

    While I can't argue your logic here... I guess what I argue is, if I don't feel comfortable about a person pumping their own gasoline and following basic safety guidelines... then how do I feel comfortable with them operating that vehicle on the road? They can do far more damage being unable to follow those directions, no?

    Yeah... that is stupid. If I knew someone that did that... I wouldn't ride in the car with that person... if I had kids, I wouldn't let them ride in the car with that person either. Seriously. I wouldn't trust that person behind the wheel if they are that cavalier about smoking at the pump.

    But her inability to follow basic safety guidelines shouldn't become a restriction imposed on everyone, should it?

    If that is all it takes... then we've set the bar pretty low on human activities and personal responsibility.
  4. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    WOW - this thread has really gone off-topic in a hurry.
  5. Rich

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    Yes it has. Should have been more interesting than it's been.

    I started seeing technology taking jobs back in the '60s. At the time I had just gotten out of the Navy and took a job in a new glass bottle factory. I was the 99th hourly person hired there. When they started making bottles, a bit after I got the job (pay was $1.81 an hour), we began to see how the packaging of the bottles was gonna be performed.

    One inspector sitting in a chair watching bottles in a single line fly past them, four inspectors packing the bottles in their cases and a guy loading the cases onto pallets. Within 6 months, they brought in a machine that the bottles went straight into. I think it was 8,000 bottles to a pallet, the layers divided by cardboard sheets and the whole pallet wrapped in cardboard. Amazingly stable.

    That got rid of four inspectors. I remember having two of those "palletizers" on four lines, so across four shifts 32 people got laid off. My first experience with technology taking jobs.

  6. Rich

    Rich DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Feb 22, 2007
    Piscataway, NJ
    OK, thought that was aimed at me. Sorry.

    Those grease cleaner solvents were dangerous. We used them to clean tools and machine parts. What you went thru in that one instance, we (the Maintenance Dept.) went thru nearly every day. No one has any idea how dangerous a chemical plant is until you work in one. I got a clue the first day I worked there. The guy that was breaking me in told me not to step in any red puddles. Seems the most toxic stuff in the area we were working in turned red when it hit water. Began to wish I was back on my destroyer at that point and it went downhill from there.

    In my years there, I saw several people die and each time there was an investigation and the conclusion was that there were safeguards in place and they were ignored. Once you see a person running out of a still discharge room covered in molten resin and burning brightly...well, you never forget it. Watching a person get pulled out of a ribbon blender in pieces (saw that one from a distance) is not a pretty sight. I could go on and on, but I'm sure you get my point.

    Yes, that's true. You should come to Central NJ and live here for 6 months. You would not believe the way people drive and what they do while driving. Ask a trucker, if you get a chance. I live about a mile from an interstate highway. We see folks driving at 45 MPH while putting nail polish on, talking or texting (I don't see how anyone can do that safely) on a phone and the truckers call 101.5 and talk about what couples do while driving. Won't go into details, but it's not easy to have sex while driving (I say this hypocritically, I've done that myself on more than one occasion) and keeping up with traffic. My wife's family is from the suburbs of Pittsburgh and they're always nervous driving in NJ. I'm always nervous driving in western PA.

    Yup, drove with that (I had 3) mother-in-law once. Had my head out the window all the way, she never stopped smoking. She was always having accidents that "weren't her fault". I don't think she ever saw a speed sign that she believed, always speeding.

    Yes we have. Most of the injuries we had in the chemical plant were due to people ignoring safety guidelines. If they blatantly ignore safety guidelines in an environment where they can be quickly killed, what would make a person think that wouldn't carry over to operating a car?

  7. Cholly

    Cholly Old Guys Rule! DBSTalk Club

    Mar 22, 2004
    Back in '87, I think, I took a field trip to Boulder, Colorado to work on a test lab for aircraft computers that was being transferred from my plant. When I arrived at the plant, I was shown an elaborate computerized warehousing system that was in development. It included robotic transport equipment and stackers. Within a few months, the facility mission was changed and the warehousing system was abandoned.

    Such systems are relatively common today, as witnessed by TV shows that highlighted Walmart distribution centers and Amazon. They work faster, safer and better than we mere humans can do.
  8. trdrjeff

    trdrjeff Icon

    Dec 3, 2007
    “That may have been all very well in the past, but today conditions are fundamentally different; and now we simply cannot afford to develop any more labor-saving machines. We have reached a point today where labor saving devices are good only when they do not throw the worker out of his job.”

    Eleanor Roosevelt in 1945

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