ATT TV - a little review

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  1. Steveknj

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    All it takes is a few key shows I watch that I'd be forced to watch ads, and I will be convinced I need to be able to skip them. It's not just sports (and I tend to watch sports live, not recorded, though I do some of that on occasion). ON Demand is fine for time shifting (assuming that it's still available by the time you are ready to watch), but those pesky ads! For example, I'm watching the new Steve Martin series on Hulu. Since I only have the $2 a month ad supported deal, I watch and I'm stuck with unskippable ads. It's annoying. Contrast that to watching a DVR recording of Resident Alien on SyFy. I can skip past the ads which is much better. Now I don't watch enough on Hulu to justify the ad-free version, so I deal with it, but I wouldn't want to go back to 1970s style TV where I HAD to watch ads for most of what I watch. Most network and basic cable On Demand force ads. Obviously I could go completely streaming pay for ad free version of all my services and skip them, but that's not how I watch TV. I hate all the app juggling (and one reason I'm heading back to cable).
     
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    In one day I remembered ALL the reasons I quit cable all those years ago. First I had a window for Sunday 8-11AM. Naturally he shows up at 10:50 (at least he wasn't late). Then, I assumed he was going to use the existing cabling, but of course, no, he installed his own cabling, making kind of a mess around the house. Then, I didn't realize that I won't be able to use the new cablemodem I bought and that I'll have to use theirs, a big giant monstrosity because everything, TV and Internet runs through that box. OK, I'll deal with that. Then, he couldn't get the mini cable boxes to sync with the main box (which should have been my first clue there's going to be an issue). Eventually we got ONE TV to sync, and he said they messed up the S.O. and he called it in to fix, and it should take 2 hours or so work and we'll have to play box roulette to finally get them to sync (using WPS). Finally an hour so later, they all sync. And of course one of the remotes was dead (The tech was long gone). No biggie, there's an optimum office not too far away, I'll exchange it for a new one. So the TVs are up and running, mucked around the settings and stuff, pretty decent, but as I suspected, the DVR is programmable decently but the controls are not great (no 30 second skip). Also no live rewind or stop, but I think that's a separate service (can you imagine?). So the TVs are fine, but the internet is horrible. It comes up, stays on for a few minutes and then, boom, down again. I thought it might be my own router, disconnected that, tried to connect separately to the Altice one, can't connect, no internet. This went on for a few hours, nothing I tried fixed it. My owned modem with Optimum never had that type of issue. I called them, got a tech on the line, reset the the modem, it worked for a bit longer this time, then it crapped out. Called them again, and they are coming out Tuesday. It worked for a bit longer last night, then crapped out again. This morning it SEEMS fine, but now none of the boxes can connect to the internet, so I cannot access any DVR recordings, I can't get to settings, I can't search for programs (as I wanted to start setting up my DVR for the upcoming new season). I'm getting an error which according to my online research says is either I'm missing a payment (not the case), or it's a network issue (which I'm assuming is the problem). So it's been nothing but a poop show so far. I am assuming once (if?) all the issues are solved this will work out fine. But that's a big if. I totally wish DirecTV didn't have that two year contract. I'd be back with them in a heartbeat.
     
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    I could care less about the contract the programming costs are the costs... Its just the fees that kill it... I have 8 TV's 56 bucks a month just in box fees plus the advanced receiver fee is nuts
     
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  4. Davenlr

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    True. Even the base price is 2X the price of YouTubeTV, by the time you add in receiver fees, RSN fees, HD fee, DVR fee, Whole home fee, and taxes, the price is totally unacceptable. It is obviously a scam to rip off those folks in the country who have no other choice than satellite. Once Sunday Ticket is gone, I am really hoping they will get rid of the contracts and all those fees and match DirecTv Stream and just do a one time installation charge for those who dont already had a dish or two on the roof that work just fine.
     
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    Well not quite accurate. I have 6 TVs. DirecTV is requires a 2 year contract. For the first year, even with the 6 boxes the cost to me, would be around what I'm paying for Stream or Cable. It's the second year where the price skyrockets to make it completely cost prohibitive. Channel wise, I'm getting just about the same number of channels with Optimum (minus a couple of minor channels each way) and more than what I got with Stream (though as I've pointed out numerous times, on Stream was missing a couple of key channels, though that would be supplemented with Locast, and now an antenna. If DirecTV charged the same for the second year as they did for the first, I'd have gone back gladly.
     
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    Here is the rumor and it is getting stronger... Short answer is there is not going to be any more boxes from Directv except Maybe a new server.. No more clients/HD boxes/dvrs etc... The rumor is they are redoing the Directv app to be like the Directv Stream app.. Except it will get its signal from ala(built in WVB on a HS17) or on your home network to operate... With this box fees will go away.. How this works in the commercial space IDK unless they release a modified HS17 that supports more the 8 connections.. From what I gather this was always the Directv intention before ATT with the HS17 and it still is now.. It also would have happened sooner then later regardless if ATT never sold them There is zero appetite to develop and produce new hardware minus a server
     
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    I mean its still accurate.. Directv Ultimate is 151 a month.. To get the same channels with my local cable company it is about 140 (and i am still missing channels and some HD versions)
     
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    Our cable company advertises an $80 starter package. When you read the fine price, you have to pay $7.50 for the DVR, $16.50 for locals, and $7.50 for RSN, tax, franchise fees, and FCC fees. Total for their starter package is $126.50 for ONE ROOM. DirecTV is $119.50 for Entertainment (one room). DirectTV stream is $70+tax. YouTubeTV is $65.00+tax. Not sure about DISH, but last I checked it was two years for $80+tax+RSN+$15 for Hopper3 if you opt out of locals.
    While I REALLY miss my HR54 and 4K Genie for my one TV (and they charged me $15 because it was "two boxes") even though you needed both to get 4K, there is just no way I can justify paying almost 3X what I am paying for YouTubeTV with a $10 Tmobile discount. If actually preferring DirecTv stream with the Ospreys, but their lack of sports channels found on the YTTV base package and poor streaming in my area was a hard no.
    If DirecTv does allow a single HS17, and per TV apps to watch/record and makes the price competitive with streaming, Ill be back in a flash. Im NOT paying over $100 a month for the few channels I watch during the week (three) and sports channels on the weekend.
     
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    I was paying $115 a month for my internet (300mbs), plus $110 a month for DirecTV Stream (for the premier package I think, one step below the top), plus the movies extra pack.

    I got a bundled package, with essentially the same level of package as Stream, DVR (highest package), and 500mbs Internet, it actually bundled in phone too, which I don't really need, total is about $235, so that's only around $10 more, but faster internet. Plus once everything is fixed, so much less headaches as everything is in one spot.
     
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    Yea, no way I could pay $235 a month. My uncapped internet 1Gb/s with free HBOMax is $65 and YouTubeTV is $54.94. So total is about $130 after tax. I would have internet anyway, so I dont usually include that when comparing TV packages. If ATT were to add RedZone and NFL channel in their $69.99 and fixed their server, I would head back over there just for the 5.1 audio and being able to use the Osprey remote.
     
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    Right, except the boxes that TiVo makes for IPTV operators (running on either a highly customized version of Android TV or Linux) aren't called TiVo Stream. The hardware doesn't really have a brand name, as it's branded by the individual IPTV operators (and typically carries their logo in the on-screen UI). TiVo refers to all this as their "Next-Gen Platform Clients".

    OTOH, the Android TV dongle that TiVo sells at retail, which just has the standard Android TV homescreen and a special pre-installed TiVo Stream app on it, is branded as the "TiVo Stream 4K". TiVo insists that they're not giving up on the TiVo Stream 4K but it's pretty much a flop. I suspect they'll abandon it by end of next year if not before.

    Their main focus now isn't retail, but offering software solutions for small-to-mid-sized managed IPTV operators via their "Next-Gen Platform". (Well, their real main focus is licensing patents and guide data to just about everyone in the pay TV/video industry.) But I'm skeptical how many of those TiVo-using IPTV operators will still be operating their own services five years from now. Fewer and fewer broadband customers want cable TV and a growing slice of those who do will opt to take a nationally-advertised streaming cable TV service like YouTube TV, Hulu with Live TV, or DirecTV Stream.
     
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    Who's your local cable company, BTW?
     
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    As I've written about many times over the past few years on this forum, it looks like AT&T's original intention was to use the C71 Osprey box not just for AT&T TV but also as a client device that could connect to a next-gen DTV satellite home server, the HS27.

    If they are, in fact, making a DTV client app (for Roku, Fire TV, Apple TV) that can work with the existing HS17 (after a firmware update, I'm sure), I can't see why they wouldn't want to also offer, as an option, their own Android TV-powered client box for use with it too, to replace the existing C61 Genie Mini that can't run any popular apps. Seems likely that it would be the same box they have planned to release as a replacement for DTV Stream's Osprey box.

    BTW, looks like Dish satellite is also getting in on the idea of Android TV-powered receivers. It's a simple way to gain access to a giant app store, which is increasingly important as even cable/satellite subscribers spend a growing amount of time in apps like Netflix, Hulu, HBO Max, Disney+, YouTube, Prime Video, Apple TV+, etc.

     
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    Yikes.
     
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    They are supposed to come this morning. The internet has been more stable, though it did go out a couple of times during the day yesterday (while working from home of course). I realized that the one box near the router can work through ethernet, so I hooked that up and it seems better. I can watch DVRed stuff (though it did miss a recording of The Daily Show). The DVR is actually not bad and I found the 30 second skip button so that helped make the experience decent. And I can manually pad!! I still cannot get ANY of the other boxes to connect via wifi. I even added my existing Mesh Router as access points but still, no go. So we'll see how that goes.
     
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    To be clear This was all Directv's intention.. Not ATT from the Get-Go What does remain to be seen is how this does work with clients since the current platform is all Linux.. They recently started testing with pushing all graphic drawing and such off the server and onto the client.. The good news is pretty much any Fire stick or whatever has probably 10 times the horsepower of any Mini client so performance shouldn't be an issue It doesnt sound like there is any plans to offer an "Osprey" to work with this service although who knows.. The new one could be compatible with both
     
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    Oh they are still calling it Tivo Stream.. My LCC is calling it EXP Stream and Service Electric is calling it a Tivo Stream
     
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    Same here
     
  20. NashGuy

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    Yes, I see that Service Electric is, in fact, branding it as "TiVo Stream". I stand corrected!

    Service Electric Cablevision | TiVo Stream

    That said, that appears to be a branding decision that only certain IPTV partners (e.g. Service Electric) are making. Here's another operator near me, TDS, that uses TiVo's Android TV IPTV boxes for their TDS TV+ service. They simply refer to their wireless box as "the TDS TV+ receiver" and barely reference TiVo at all:

    TDS TV+ Programming & Packages |TDS


    As I said, TiVo doesn't call those boxes TiVo Stream. At TiVo, that specific brand name refers to a now-defunct hardware accessory that allowed certain older model DVRs to stream their live and recorded TV over the home network to mobile devices:

    https://www.amazon.com/TiVo-TCDA94000-Stream/dp/B008RWHC0E
     

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