ATT TV - a little review

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  1. Oct 26, 2020 #481 of 1812
    lparsons21

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    Yep, that’s a good price for the Ultra for sure.

    Also, the Ultra supports ATMOS for Apple’s TV+ app which the FireTV doesn’t. Seems that search for the ‘one box’ is still just a search, huh? :)
     
  2. Oct 26, 2020 #482 of 1812
    harsh

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    That depends in large part how many different brands of programming paint that you have on your palette. ;)
     
  3. Oct 26, 2020 #483 of 1812
    techguy88

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    I may test out other streaming devices but I have found my "one box" and that is Apple TV 4K :). I can deal with the remote but the Apple TV HD & 4K boxes do have all TV Everywhere apps, popular streaming apps (free, avod & svod) and I pretty much use the Apple TV app to its fullest.
     
  4. Oct 26, 2020 #484 of 1812
    lparsons21

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    The remote issues are mostly with working with some live streaming apps. In general trickplay is the biggest issue because of that blasted trackpad. But for those live streaming apps that will do trickplay with SIRI it isn’t such a big deal.

    TVE is fine if you tolerate non-skippable ads.

    For me the FireTV is the best ‘one box’. Supports all the streaming apps, Recast integrates nicely with it and I can also view my outdoor security cameras with it. When I shift to Sling next spring then the ATV comes back into play probably.
     
  5. Oct 27, 2020 #485 of 1812
    harperhometheater

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    Totally agreed, especially when you combine it with Channels DVR for your TV services, Infuse as your great Media server which is one of the few that supports Dolby Vision and lastly speaking of DV, its support of being able to force Dolby Vision/LLDV for projectors and displays which are HDR10 only.

    This has easily turned into my “one box” solution in recent months.

    There’s a Harmony for that........

    Unless you use TVE with Channels DVR, which also covers your below statement with support for HDHomerun tuners in place of the Recast.....

     
  6. Oct 27, 2020 #486 of 1812
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    I’ve got a Harmony Elite and haven’t used it in quite awhile. Not because it isn’t excellent but because of the foibles of the non-standard HDMI-CEC. Logitech recognizes the issue and recommends turning it off, but when you do that ARC suddenly becomes not so good at all, which means if you hook direct to TV and back to sound system with HDMI-CEC off you need to use optical, which is limited to DD5.1.

    When I had an audio system that only did 5.1, that was fine, but I’ve moved on from that. Or I could use an HDMI switch but most of them have their own quirks.

    I will admit that playing around with the various boxes introduces most of the issues. If I were to pick either the ATV4K or FireTV as the sole box I could accomplish all I need to with what I have now. I could even figure out how to not hate that blasted trackpad on the ATV remote! :)
     
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    Yeah, and that would be of enough interest to actually do if I didn’t live by myself. What I have gets the job done for me and the few times a year I have company where more than one TV is on at a time it hasn’t been an issue either.

    BTW, I’ve got both Recast and AirTV Anywhere, both 4 tuner, 1TB OTA DVRs. Recast works great but only works at all with FireTV other than some minimal use with the FireTV app on a phone or tablet.

    AirTV Anywhere works pretty much everywhere, including out of home. Uses the SlingTV app which is on everything I’ve seen. It isn’t quite as good as Recast if the broadcast station’s signal is a bit degraded.

    Major downside of both is that neither support search of the broadcast program schedule.
     
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    Just an FYI, SiliconDust (HDHomerun) has now released there own app that runs on the ATV and is free for HDHomerun users so no need to pay for the Channels app anymore, unless you want to. I've used my HDHomerun tuner with my Synology NAS configured for DVR for years with the HDHomerun app running on my FireTV devices and Nvidia Shields. Never bothered to pay for the Channels app for my ATV 4ks now with the HDHomerun app for the ATV, no need.
     
  9. Oct 27, 2020 #489 of 1812
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    Yes and no. :)

    If you are consistently using just a group of certain streaming services, then you can use quite a few boxes to accomplish that.

    But, one of the biggest benefits to streaming is that you can control what you have available and the costs by not being tied down to any particular service. So to somewhat future proof I would think that getting the box that supports all or nearly all of the services makes more sense. These days that is AppleTV or FireTV if you aren’t averse to sideloading a couple of apps.

    Roku’s are out as you can’t sideload, or at least I haven’t seen a way. And you can only mirror and not cast to Roku’s. And as of today’s Streamable article, AirPlay 2 is showing up on some minor number of users for the Ultra but it seems HBO Max is being blocked.
     
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    I've read the Harmony doesn't have support for Siri at all on the ATV or the long press function of the Home button.
     
  11. Oct 27, 2020 #491 of 1812
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    I don’t know of any universal remote that supports Siri or any voice. The long press isn’t supported by default but you can program another button to do it.
     
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    Both of those issues are deal breakers considering the cost of a Harmony remote.
     
  13. Oct 27, 2020 #493 of 1812
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    Given how few remote options there are for the ATV, the Harmony remotes are pretty much what you get.

    They're also very helpful if you have a TV that doesn't play well with your other equipment via CEC.
     
  14. Oct 27, 2020 #494 of 1812
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    Does anything actually play well with HDMI-CEC? Lots of mfgs of soundbars and such talk about disabling it which happily chatting about what ARC brings to the setup. Carefully not mentioning much about how ARC depends on HDMI-CEC being active.

    A couple examples:
    Roku Ultra 2019 - oft times it just captures the TV port with CEC active. This only seems to happen when the ATT TV Osprey box is also using a TV HDMI port. Disconnect either one and things go pretty well.

    Except sometimes when bringing up the ATT TV Osprey box the TV switches ports, the Nakamich Soundbar switches ports, and will do that for a bit until it finally decides not to. What it ends up on is anybody’s guess. Fortunately it doesn’t happen very often, UNLESS that damned Roku is plugged in, then it happens more often than not.
     
  15. Oct 27, 2020 #495 of 1812
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    I’m sure for some folks. I have Harmony Elites in both my main viewing locations where I use ATV 4ks in addition to other streamers. I don’t have any use for using voice commands and for voice search (which is the only voice thing I find useful/helpful ) you can just use the Harmony remote app on your phone or, if you are using the ATV 4k, as soon as you have to enter text the app pops up on your iPhone. I don’t remember the last time I touched my OEM remotes. They are all in a drawer somewhere with the batteries removed.
     
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    harsh

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    With the exception of ignoring my Flex box, my Sony X900H seems to be doing pretty well. If I turn on any of the source devices, the TV comes on and selects the appropriate input. The only nit I have is that with the most recent Sony firmware update, the TV comes on when I select the tuner function on my somewhat older Onkyo AVR. It didn't do that before.

    I expect that if I moved the Flex box to a TV input rather than the AVR, it would work better (and support 4K UHD).

    I currently have everything (Playstation, Roku, satellite receiver, Flex, HD-DVD player) connected to my AVR and feed the TV through its ARC HDMI input that returns DD+ from the TV.

    People with Samsung TVs and Denon audio gear seem to have more than their share of CEC complaints. I'm not sure what that says about whom.
     
  17. Oct 27, 2020 #497 of 1812
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    I love my Harmony Elites. There is no way my wife, or any guests we have over, would ever be able to operate any of our AV equipment without them. I can literally just hand them the Elite hand held controllers and they can watch tv or listen to music...if they can read and push buttons...LOL.
     
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    I don’t have an AVR, I have the Nakamichi Shockwafe 7.1.4 Atmos Soundbar setup. Sony TV, ATV4K, ATT box, FireTV and Roku Ultra. The Naka is twitchy with CEC IMO, but then so is the Roku and ATT box. The only two that don’t give issues when hooked to the TV and feedback via ARC to the soundbar are the FireTV and ATV4K.

    The most irritating part is that sometimes it all works just like it should. Push power on whichever remote, box, tv, speaker all come up properly with proper inputs selected. Then other times it seems like it just loses its marbles and switches around Willy-nilly!

    Today I decided that the only two streaming boxes I care at all about are the ATT box because of the superb remote, and the FireTV Cube because it supports the AppleTV+ app. And of course, a Blue Ray player. The Naka has 3 HDMI inputs so I’m just using them and have taken CEC and ARC out of the picture.

    If/when Apple gets off the dime and comes out with a Siri remote that does away with the miserable trackpad, I’ll re-evaluate. Neve understood why Apple thought that miserable trackpad was better than a d-pad.
     
  19. Oct 27, 2020 #499 of 1812
    harperhometheater

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    Yep, even I was able to operate your system when I was there, so that in and of itself was quite an accomplishment!!! Thankfully I can read and push a button (one at a time), just barely, Haha!

    In other news......T-Mobile’s TVision service, direct competitor to AT&T TV, appears to be starting its rollout Nov 1 to its wireless customers first:

    T-Mobile refocuses TVision with Android TV device and new plans

    Cut the cord with TVision by T-Mobile

    TVision Hub info:
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    Intro video:
    Live Stream the Latest News & Announcements | T-Mobile
     
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  20. Oct 27, 2020 #500 of 1812
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    Actually the first version of TVision (formally Layer3) was more AT&T TV like with the high price. The new TVision is more AT&T Watch TV meets AT&T TV Now but with better equipment :D
     
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