ATT TV - a little review

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  1. Nov 23, 2020 #561 of 1812
    lparsons21

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    I don’t watch much sports at all regardless of resolution! :)

    Typically it goes like this:
    If baseball is on my TV I’m taking a nap
    If golf is on the nap is shorter
    If football is on I might stay awake

    Otherwise sports are just not on!
     
  2. Nov 23, 2020 #562 of 1812
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    Lol. I love baseball but usually me watching follows the same sequence as you lol. For me also being a Mets fan living in Pittsburgh I have always had mlb.tv. So that piece is easy.
     
  3. Nov 24, 2020 #563 of 1812
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    I'm waiting for them to add the sports pack RSNs.
     
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    I honestly don’t think you will ever see that
     
  5. Nov 24, 2020 #565 of 1812
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    My hope was that we would eventually see the same type of offerings that currently exist on DirecTV, like the sports pack RSN’s and some 4K content. I guess it remains to be seen, but probably doubtful.
     
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    4K yes. I am surprised that hasnt shown up yet.. Sports Pack RSN I would venture to say no. That will remain a Satellite Niche
     
  7. Nov 25, 2020 #567 of 1812
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  8. Nov 26, 2020 #568 of 1812
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    I’ve been reading a few articles about the upcoming channel negotiations that are looking like there will be significant blackouts of many broadcast channels on both Dish and Direct. With the one for Direct it most likely will affect ATT’s streaming offerings too. For Dish, since SlingTV doesn’t do locals for the most part, it shouldn’t be negatively affected.

    And that made me cogitate a bit. The two biggest content drivers that impact the cost of live TV are sports and locals/broadcast. Both have risen significantly more than the other channels outside of the Disney stuff.

    And that brought me to the thought that maybe ATT TV or TV Now should consider a broadcast free subscription level. That should knock about $12/month off the bill and would fill a need/want for those that can get those locals via antenna or Locast. It would still be a ‘premium’ service because of the superior video and audio qualities of the service compared to others but would bring the price closer in competition to other services.

    And to pricing for ATT TV (not Now), I’m firmly convinced that when the 1st year anniversary rolls around and the price more than doubles if you keep all you got in the 1st year that people are going to drop it like flies.

    Let’s look at 2nd year pricing compared to 1st year on my deal at the time.
    Entertainment 1st year = $50 includes HBO Max
    Entertainment 2nd year = $93 no HBO Max
    Add HBO Max $15

    So second year is $108 if you want to keep what you have.

    Choice including RSN 1st year = $67 includes HBO Max
    Choice including RSN 2nd year = $118 no HBO Max
    Add HBO Max $15

    So second year is $133 if you want to keep what you have.

    To keep ATT streaming service that is close to both of those levels, and keep HBO Max and pick up Cinemax a move to
    ATT TV Now Max = $80
    AMC+ to pick up missing BBCA and AMC = $9

    So total of $89.
    If you cancel and pay the ETF of $15/month for the 12 months left that makes the total effective out of pocket $104

    That’s $4/month cheaper than Entertainment
    And $29/month cheaper than Choice

    Of course the channel counts and actual channels are not exactly the same, but you gain some from what Entertainment offered and are very close to being the same as Choice.

    And yeah, there are other live streaming services that are cheaper but all of them have some less video quality and none of them have 5.1 audio at all.
     
  9. Nov 27, 2020 #569 of 1812
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    When it comes to locals, Sling TV is only affected when Dish has to renew their OTA retransmission consent with Fox Corporation & NBCUniversal for their O&O Fox & NBC stations. AT&T TV/TV Now piggybacks off of D*'s local retransmission consent agreements (along with U-Verse TV) so a total of 4 TV services are impacted with AT&T (D*, U-Verse TV, AT&T TV & AT&T TV Now).

    Right now Dish's potential dispute with Nexstar is the biggest impacting. After Nexstar's merger with Tribune, Nexstar became the largest owner of OTA stations (overtaking Sinclair.) Unlike the 2019 AT&T-Nexstar dispute (which only affected the Nexstar stations and not the Tribune/WGN group at the time) the 2020 Dish-Nexstar impacts the former Tribune/WGN stations along with Nexstar's original station group.

    Tenga is one of the bigger ones but only impacts 54 markets which is less than half of Nexstar. AT&T has a better track record at resolving disputes than Dish does considering AT&T's Sinclair dispute was resolved without a blackout and AT&T has all of the Sinclair RSNs. However AT&T's Nexstar dispute took 2 months IIRC which means Dish customers are in for a long battle.

    However if both AT&T and Dish are blacked out at the same time with Tenga & Nexstar respectively we are going to see more markets with both Tenga & Nexstar stations which will cause things like the Tenga station promoting Dish as an alternative while the Nexstar station promoting DirecTV. Although AT&T and Dish retention agents should have an easier time of proving their point that "switching providers during a dispute is not the answer."

    If both Dish-Nexstar & AT&T-Tenga go into blackout then Portland, OR will be affected by both:
     
  10. Dec 13, 2020 #570 of 1812
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    In my last post, I was doing some comparisons between ATT TV Choice and ATT TV Now Max package. While the Now Max package doesn’t have all the channels that TV Choice does, it has quite a few. And that is also true of the TV Xtra level too. There are some of Xtra’s channels in the TV Now Max package though certainly not all.

    Here’s a comparison at full retail:

    ATT TV Xtra = $124 + RSN fee of about $8/month, so total of $132. And it doesn’t include HBO or Cinemax.

    ATT TV Now = $80 and no RSN fee and has HBO (and Max) and Cinemax included.

    IMO, that makes ATT TV Now a real bargain IF the channel mix fits your needs and if you value even just HBO (and Max), not counting any value for Cinemax.

    For the $80/month you get the channels in the best PQ of any live streaming service as well as DD5.1 audio on those channels that provide that. You get a 500 hour cloud DVR.

    Notable channels missing (my opinion of course)
    AMC
    BBCA
    NFL & RedZone

    AMC+ app and subscription service, ad free is $8.99/month and includes AMC, BBCA, IFC, Sundance and Shudder.

    NFL & RedZone are harder to come by unless I’m missing something. I can only find them on other live streamers and much more money than I would think they are worth, especially considering how many games are available on broadcast and ESPN these days.

    I’ve been wanting to get the Golf Channel so I’ve been considering ways to do that the cheapest way possible. For that upping my subscription to Xtra on ATT TV is $82 or $32/month more than I’m paying now and that price includes the RSN fee. And while that would add a bunch of other channels, almost all of them are not interesting to me.

    But if I cancel and pay the ETF then even the cheapest way i could find is $80/month including ETF and has poorer, but not bad, HDPQ and only stereo audio. That would be a combo of SlingBlue+TotalTV+HBO. I would lose ESPN which is an issue.

    Sigh... Even though I’m not a big sports fan the only way to reduce the cost of streaming by much is to do away with sports altogether and I’m not quite ready to do that yet.
     
  11. Dec 23, 2020 #571 of 1812
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    Well I had a most pleasant experience with ATT TV today. Called to cancel and pay the ETF and move to ATT TV Now Max. After a bit of a conversation the CSR said to hold on and she would see if she could get the ETF waived since I was moving to another ATT service. She got it approved!!

    So now it is ATT TV Now Max plus AMC+ to pick up the AMC/BBCA channels not in the Max package. I really like the ATT streaming service from a PQ and AQ viewpoint and the channel mix is great for me. But the ATT TV service’s 2nd year pricing and overall structure just wasn’t cutting it for me.
     
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  12. Dec 28, 2020 #572 of 1812
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    I was playing around with my streaming boxes recently and noticed that for ATT TV (and Now) DD5.1 audio is missing on some channels while using the AppleTV4K.

    Checked those channels in the same time period on the Roku Ultra and FireTV Cube and DD5.1 is there for those same channels. Frankly that doesn’t make sense.

    For those contemplating ATT TV or TV Now the AppleTV is the worst box to use. The ATV remote doesn’t lend itself to operation of the app very well at all, and even using a Harmony Elite isn’t very good either. Both mostly when trying to use ff/REW to skip ads in recordings.
     
  13. Dec 28, 2020 #573 of 1812
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    That's great they did that with the ETF @lparsons21 ! Not sure what's going on with the DD5.1 audio on Apple TV 4K that is odd.
     
  14. Dec 28, 2020 #574 of 1812
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    Yeah, it is very odd. Here’s a little more about the oddity. I noticed it first on USA during the day, no DD5.1 on ATV but yet in the same time slot it did have it on the Roku. Same thing for a relatively few other channels.

    Later in the evening USA did have 5.1 on the ATV.

    Now off on a little tangent... :)

    I have the ATT Osprey box still connected and now and then I’ll kick it on to see if an update has finally come to it to improve the performance of the box, especially things like launching apps. Sadly it hasn’t happened. The irritating part of all of that is that ATT had the right idea with that box and then just dropped the ball. No updates of any significance since launch and still no official Amazon Prime or Hulu app support.
     
  15. Dec 28, 2020 #575 of 1812
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    I’m still using the Osprey box for live TV only, and it would be perfect (for me) if the following nagging little things would get fixed:

    - Forced DD5.1 on channels/content that are stereo only, making it impossible for my AVR to simulate surround from a stereo signal.

    - The forced HDR output. As long as the HDR gets triggered on my Sony TV, then it looks good. Every once in a while, the HDR flag won’t get triggered on my TV causing the picture to look hazy and washed out. Turning the box off/on or rebooting usually fixes it temporarily.

    - Navigating the guide/ interface is sluggish. The developer option changes have only helped slightly.

    If these items could get fixed, then the service would be a keeper for me. I really like the live TV interface and the remote.
     
  16. Dec 30, 2020 #576 of 1812
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    Yeah, those are niggling problems with the Osprey box for sure.

    The forced DD+ was an issue for me with my previous soundbar, just wouldn’t massage the channels/shows that were stereo at all. My current soundbar doesn’t have that problem so it is now a non-issue. :)

    The forced HDR seems to be an issue with quite a few AndroidTV based boxes. Seems like it is baked in to some versions of AndroidTV OS. And as you noticed sometimes the flag doesn’t set right with at least Sony TV’s.

    Thankfully the Osprey box isn’t the only way to get the service!! :)
     
  17. Dec 30, 2020 #577 of 1812
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    Def frustrating that the box has not had any significant substantive updates, even on low hanging fruit fixes/improvements. Still no way to see in the guide if you are recording a show or have a series link to that show; still no good way to "skip to tick" or fast forward to near the end of a show; and still no way to pad any recordings which is a pain with sports and live events.

    I mostly like the Osprey box but those items are a nuisance. I do still have occasional HDMI handshake issues with the box as well.


     
  18. Dec 30, 2020 #578 of 1812
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    One thing I noticed that was added somewhat recently, is when viewing your list of upcoming recordings and you highlight a show with a series link, a box comes shows in the upper right that says ‘stop series recording’ or something like that. That helps a little bit. You used to have to drill down to the show info to cancel a series recording.

    But, yeah, it would definitely help if there was a ‘series manager’ or something like that. Currently if you want to stop a series recording and there are no upcoming episodes, you need to specifically search for the show and cancel from there. I probably have a bunch of series recordings setup that I totally forgot about, but I would never know because the show isn’t active and there are no upcoming recordings.
     
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    All in all it seems that ATT is pretty much in maintenance mode with all their streaming/tv devices. No real changes in the DirecTV stuff for quite some time now, and the Osprey box is essentially the same as it was on launch day other than a new remote for it.

    While it seems to make some kind of sense to not invest much in these things because of the continuing decline in subscribers, I can’t help but think that it adds to the reasons people are moving to other services. Doesn’t help that the marketing of ATT TV and Now is still the mess it has always been, nor that the pricing on ATT TV at retail is way too close to what something similar would cost on cable/sat. And that’s a damned shame!

    For all its warts ATT TV and Now are the only services offering live streaming with DD5.1 audio and a really great picture. YouTubeTV comes very close in PQ, but it, like all the others is still doing stereo sound only.

    The Osprey box could have been a candidate for that elusive ‘one box’ solution to streaming. But with Amazon Prime and Hulu having no official support it kills that idea. And the sluggishness of loading apps kind of kills that idea completely.

    Right now the best two candidates for a one box solutions are Roku and FireTV, though on the FireTV you do have to sideload Peacock. Otherwise there aren’t any significant holes in app support on those.

    AppleTV’s downsides for a one box solution are the horrible remote, especially when trying to control a live streaming app. No DD5.1 audio on Hulu. And oddly, 5.1 support with the ATT TV app is not quite the same as it is on other devices. Some channels that are DD5.1 on Roku and FireTV are not on the AppleTV. That makes absolutely no sense.
     
  20. Jan 4, 2021 #580 of 1812
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    I've been using YouTube TV for quite a while - prior to that I was a D* subscriber for a LONG time.

    Well, the PQ of YouTube TV isn't as good as it once was and the RSNs are gone. So I am looking at AT&T TV as an app on my Apple TV 4K boxes (plus a Firestick on one TV). Note I use a Harmony remote with the Apple TV, the Apple remote is crap.

    Only thing holding me back from switching is the 2 year commitment and know AT&T is having serious issues holding onto subscribers (esp D*).

    It sounds like the PQ is great with AT&T TV from reading most of this thread and the app works fairly well. Anyone else switch from YouTube TV or having reservations about making the switch?

    Thanks
     

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