ATT TV - a little review

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  1. May 5, 2020 #81 of 2457
    lparsons21

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    The only way to look at the ATT TV service from a financial point of view is to figure on cancelling at the end of the 1st year. Those 2nd year prices are just not going to fly for those wanting to cut the cord, too many other ways to get the channels you want for a better price.

    Here’s just an example.

    ATT TV Entertainment at full retail = $93/month

    Combo comparison:
    YouTubeTV = $50 month
    Philo to fill in the holes = $20 month

    Total = $70 month
    Note that YouTubeTV actually compares well to something more like ATT TV’s Choice package in those areas that YTTV has RSN’s for.

    Here’s another pricing oddity I found today. I went to my account at ATT and if I wanted to up the subscription level the cost is higher than what a new customer signup price is. And at this moment in time almost all subs to ATT TV are new customers since the service itself only went national recently, and even those that have had it the longest in the test markets are within the first year.
     
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    Here’s something I noticed with the audio on ATT TV. ATT encodes with DD+ which is an expanded version of DD5.1. And they tell your AV system it is DD+. Even on channels that aren’t doing 5.1 audio.

    What that means on at least some AV equipment is that you can’t layer Dolby ProLogic to get a faked surround effect on stereo. And the ATT app also does that too.

    On my Samsung Atmos soundbar system I can turn on surround and with 5.1 sources it will layer in Dolby ProLogic but it won’t for DD+ sources.

    What that means in the case of ATT TV is that on stereo only stations, the stereo is richer than from other sources, but it is stereo with no back channel effects at all.
     
  3. May 5, 2020 #83 of 2457
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    I'm a few days in now. Mostly it's been smooth. Had a small hiccup last night where forwarding a show somehow caused the show to jump back to the beginning.

    I really like the "discover" section on the menu (and maybe this is on Directv as well and I just never noticed) but it allows you quickly jump to any channel and see all of their offerings. I'm finding that all recent shows are on there, as though they were recorded, and I've not had an issue with FFWing through them.

    One thing I've not seen yet is "autoplay". For example, on Directv, when playing recorded episodes in my playlist of Pawn Stars, once one show ends, it would autoplay the next episode after a few seconds (which I like), I don't see that behavior, at least while watching on demand.

    I'm hooking up my Sonos 5.1 this weekend which runs through the optical out on the Vizio, so I'll be interested to see how that works out.

    Overall, I'd still recommend it, especially with the first year pricing.
     
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    Rich

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    That's the bait. Once folks get comfortable it will be hard to cancel. That's what I think they are banking on. Worked for the satellite version of D*, why not this version? I know if I liked it I'd keep it.

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    Yep...that'll be the dilemma next year Rich. The biggest difference with this service is the lack of receivers to get rid of the or the need to suffer through a new installation if I do the "cancel, deal with Spectrum for a month, and wait til they beg me to come back" routine........with this service, I can cancel, not have to send anything back, deal with Spectrum for a bit and see if they make me a come back offer. The math when factoring the ETF will all be interesting next year.

     
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    I won’t! Pretty easy decision assuming the deal remains the same in a year.

    1st year with a HBO included $50
    2nd year with no HBO $93

    Nope, like it or not, that ain’t happening. Besides for my choice of channels it is just too easy to find other services that are way cheaper than that 2nd year pricing, and that have the channels I want.

    I will admit that even before all these streaming choices popped up everywhere I was never a ‘loyal’ customer for a TV provider. I followed the deal. Actually stayed with Mediacom continuously longer than with anyone else as their deal was over multiple years with declining discounts annually.
     
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    Rich

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    I haven't tried this service. From what I've read it seems to be decent. I will need such a service when sports begin to come back. I do have the sat version of D* at the moment and I'll probably try this service when I have some use for it. The commitment would bother me. Especially if I wanted to keep using it. I can feel the hook in my lip already.

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    Compared to what I'm paying now, 93 bucks wouldn't bother me. I'd rather pick a service and stay with it than bop around looking for deals. Another YMMV moment, Lloyd. You know, if MLB and the NFL would find some way of getting the games to us without having to buy packages from providers it would make life a lot easier for everybody. I don't need a cable replacement service, this is ridiculous.

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    Rich,
    I expect that going forward the sports via streaming will all work itself out. But the sports teams, leagues and others will fight tooth and nail because I see no way the fat profits they’ve been making will hold up.

    The whole sports fees are based on getting lots of people that don’t watch to pay to keep the cost to the fans low enough that they are willing to pay. Gonna take a major shakeup in how all that works before we’ll see the changes.

    I could actually twiddle things a bit and not use a cable replacement service but the costs wouldn’t be substantially lower because it would take a few services to cover what I would want. That is doable, just not very convenient.
     
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    Rich....for baseball you can.....MLB sells extra innings direct. I'm not sure if that works for you given you are in Yankees territory, but for me, as a Yankees fan who no longer lives in NY, it works perfect.

    As to the NFL, they do sell NFL ST direct in some very limited circumstances....basically have to live in an apartment with no access to Directv...which is where I'll be this year.

    Next year for me personally will be interesting. I'll only be in an apartment for a year....what do I do next year for ST? If I stick with AT&T I theoretically won't be able to get it at all. I doubt if they will "convert" my AT&T commitment to a Directv commitment. And I doubt if it will be available on AT&T TV.....oh well....cross that bridge next year.

     
  11. May 5, 2020 #91 of 2457
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    Not substantially lower than $55 a month but a lot lower than $95 a month. I can see someone who's worried about money and could care less about sports paying about $50 a month for streaming video services. Two major video streamers, NF and Hulu come to mind, keep them active always and add the odd streamer for a month to two. Never get close to $95 a month that way.

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    I can't get the Yankees' home games if I get that MLB package. All they'd have to do is lift that restriction. I can deal with not having the ST. We get a lot of games every week here without the ST. Yeah, I'd miss it but give me the Yankee games and I'm gone. I can get everything else I need online.

    I would not be surprised if the streaming version of D* suddenly picked up the ST, I think we are gonna see that happen.

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  13. May 5, 2020 #93 of 2457
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    Well a little current prices, and some things going forward.

    Hulu no ads = $12
    Netflix 4K = $16
    Amazon = $10. I think that is what they charge vid only

    Total = $38

    Going forward, depending on just what’s in them:
    HBO Max = $15
    Peacock = $10

    Total = $25

    So, $63 and that’s with no sports at all.
     
  14. May 5, 2020 #94 of 2457
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    The service is good. The problem is the contract. You can actually get the same sub levels without contract, but at full retail, which starts @$93/month. I haven’t really looked at the upper sub levels beyond that but suspect that the level you would want because of the sports would be around the $120/month area. With a contract you can reduce the average below that of course.
     
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    I'm not gonna count AP, I'm gonna have that in any event. The two majors for me would be Hulu and NF. Add one app to that and it's around 40 a month. Right now our monthly is...a lot. I'd like to get that monkey off our backs.

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    The thing that would bother me the most is losing the DVRs. I finally get my DVRs working properly and have to give them up? It really bothers me.

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    Yeah, while many of the streaming apps have DVR it isn’t quite the same. They all have expiring times for recordings which isn’t a problem unless you tend to want to archive stuff.
     
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    IIRC a while back Stankey in his role as COO already stated they wouldn't pay more for the D* NFL contract in its current form (currently $1.8 billion/year). Now if the NFL wants to slightly expand NFL Sunday Ticket but keep it somewhat limited (example: DirecTV be the exclusive traditional MVPD home while AT&T TV be the exclusive streaming vMVPD home) then I'm sure AT&T would be happy to pay a bit more and oblige as long as the contract allows them to restore NFL Network to all their video services (and possibly put regular NFL RedZone back on U-Verse TV and add it to AT&T TV Now.) While the NFL ST isn't helping D* like it used to if they want to really push AT&T TV it would open up so many more customers who just didn't want DirecTV or satellite in general.

    For @Rich to get YES Network on AT&T TV he would need Choice (w/RSN fee up to $8.49) which is $54.99/mo for the first year and $110 in the second year. On AT&T TV Now the lowest package with YES Network is the Max package at $80. AT&T TV Now also sells Entertainment - Ultimate & Optimo Mas at their non-promotional rates. The AT&T TV and AT&T TV Now versions of those packages are exactly the same in terms of channels & features.

    The only difference between the two is AT&T TV Now doesn't charge a RSN fee for Choice - Ultimate and AT&T TV Now doesn't have any contracts. Although the one bright spot is if you get AT&T TV and the AT&T TV devices and later cancel AT&T TV you can still use those devices if you want to sign up for AT&T TV Now.

    I have a friend in RL who won't get any satellite provider (he doesn't like the dish) and had Suddenlink's Premier package w/ 4 receivers. After Suddenlink's CS was extremely rude to him he asked me about streaming. After he gave me a list of channels he wanted I told him he would need at least Sling TV Blue w/Sports Extra plus AT&T TV Now Max or Hulu+Live TV w/HBO to get every channel on his list.

    He actually went with the AT&T TV Now Max package ($80) and Sling TV Blue w/Sports Extra & Cloud DVR Plus ($45) because between the two services it gave him every channel he wanted for him and his family and he is now paying $125/mo total. He said he chose AT&T TV Now over Hulu+Live TV because it had the bigger Cloud DVR. He told me he is actually saving $77/mo by using the two streaming services rather than paying Suddenlink. When he told his friends at his work what he had done 2 of his friends actually had beta Osprey boxes they wasn't using and gave him the boxes. The his third and fourth TVs are using an Apple TVs.
     
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    I would have been interested in ATT TV Now Max if they hadn’t dropped out BBCA and AMC. Otherwise it was a good fit. And if you consider HBO/Cinemax a good value then it is reasonably priced. If you don’t consider them to have good value, then the price is too high. ATT TV Now’s base package is overpriced for the number and breadth of interest channels IMO.
     
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