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Discussion in 'Internet Streaming Services' started by lparsons21, Apr 27, 2020.
It still exists by default in TVOS9. Google dragged there feet in fixing it for TiVo
AFAIK, it was completely TiVo that engineered a fix for always-on HDR in the TiVo Stream 4K (and it took them a long while to make it happen too). I don't think Google helped at all. The only Android TV device I know of that originally shipped with support for native dynamic range switching is the new Chromecast with Google TV, which is so far the only device running Android TV 10 in the US. I'm under the impression that Android TV 10 has built-in native support for that feature but, IDK, maybe not. It might just be an add-on feature that Google created specifically for their own device.
The other thing that Android TV needs is support for native framerate switching. Even the new Chromecast is missing that. But from what I've read, I think Android TV 11 introduced that feature. Not sure why the new Chromecast isn't on 11 yet. At this point, Google may just upgrade it directly to 12, which was just released as a beta a few days ago.
I would need to go back and search Reddit but one of the TiVo guys who provides small updates on there make a back hand comment referencing but not referencing they were waiting on google to provide an updated version with the fix so they could test and apply some other fixes
last I knew also TiVo was paying google for most of the device support. They really don’t have a software team anymore
I mean, it was annoying at first, but once I recalibrated the TV to compensate for the overly dark picture, it looks really good. I was going to buy an Nvidia shield instead of the Osprey box, but Lparsons comment on the remote having number buttons, and the whole side loading the APK to get it to work on the shield convinced me to get the Osprey box off ebay for $50. I really dont see any reason to fix it. Once you adjust your settings for it, it looks great. As for upgrading to a newer version of Android, as slow as this thing is if several apps are loaded (I ended up removing all but the included apps), I would think it would make it worse. Seriously, Roku runs circles around this thing speed and app wise. If Roku released an advanced remote they could probably get $199 too.
Yeah, typically newer versions of an OS run slower on the same hardware. That's certainly been the case historically with Apple. But in the case of Android TV, the changes that Google has made in the past two or three versions have mainly just been to make it run more efficiently on lower-powered hardware (which is often what powers smart TVs). So I actually think that the Osprey would run faster if it was upgraded to Android TV 10. But who knows if it ever will be.
Certainly the next version of the box will run Android TV 10 or later, and so AT&T TV's custom software will have to be built around that. So maybe once that box comes out, they'll roll out the same software to their existing box? It will obviously never run as fast as the newer version but it still might be an improvement in various ways over the current situation.
Some do, but most of the products that couldn't be updated to Pie have been discontinued. The majority of Android TV devices are running Pie.
The nVIDIA Shield 2015 started with Android TV Nougat (7) and has been upgraded to Oreo (8) and now Pie (9) so we know that old iron isn't necessarily off the table for newer Android TV versions.
Boy you’re just laying on the personal attacks with big words like “bloviating” and stuff. Did someone piss in that bowl of Wheaties this morning?
ATSC and QAM certainly are in the realm of analog broadcasting and modulators have a darn big role in that too. The ones and zeros (which are just shaped analog waveform pulses btw) are modulated onto an analog radio frequency. They don’t turn back into “digital” ones and zeros until after demodulation.
I was the broadcast transmitter engineer for a local NBC affiliate during the ATSC transition, so I think I know how it works so I don’t need your BS grandstanding when we are all just trying to have a good discussion on the matter.
Last I checked, broadcast equipment still used waveform monitors, modulators, vector scopes, etc. so I’m not sure what broadcasting planet you’re from or have experience in?
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This is all I was trying to convey. If you don’t agree, take it up with the BBC, NHK and all the broadcast entities out there using HLG. I’m out.
My point is that these technologies have no role in AT&T TV streaming on the downstream side.
Most viewer's broadband hops in and out of the RF domain at least once but the streams remain digital no matter how many times that happens and knowing how or why it happens doesn't change what's happening.
There are certainly lessons to be learned from the experience of broadcasters, but they are of interest to the carriers, not the viewer.
I’ve been going over what I watch, which channels and so forth, and I came to the conclusion that keeping a high priced live streaming service just doesn’t make sense since I watch very little on it. I get the broadcast via antenna and an OTA DVR, I watch boxing and golf quite a bit, but the cable channel shows are almost all reruns, game shows or phony reality shows.
And over the last few days I was getting buffering quite a bit and tested my internet. Not good! Reset the cable modem and router and everything smoothed out. So I thought, maybe this has been affecting my look at Sling and YTTV too. And since I still had a few days left on those, I started testing. And yes, it had negatively affected both services quite a bit.
Neither of those services provide DD5.1 but most scripted shows on cable channels are also available via Hulu & CBS:All Access. Boxing and Golf don’t need DD5.1 and the PQ on both Sling & YTTV is good enough now.
So switched to SlingBlue+TotalTV and save a bit over $40/month.
Can you check how CNN, Fox Sports 1, and MSNBC look on Sling? Two should be 1080 and the sports should be 720. Curious mainly about motion artifacts from the 30 frames per second. YTTV would only save me $4, and I would lose DD5.1.
Sure. Other than just eyeballing I can’t tell what the resolution is as all my boxes upscale, even running the Sling app on the TV won’t let me as the button for that interacts with the Sling app.
Both CNN and MSNBC look good with no evidence of artifacting to my eyes. FS1 looks good too but it is just some talking heads on now. So I looked at some recordings of boxing I did on FS2 and they looked fine too. I’m watching on a 75” Sony 900E 4K TV.
Sling has a free trial, i think it is 7 days. Give it a whirl. Note that Sling Blue and add-ons give 3 streams, but channels exclusive to Sling Orange are single stream only. So if ESPN and other Disney stuff is needed, that’s a limitation. And for pricing, Blue+Gold+TotalTV is now $77/month so if you wanted to go that way, YouTubeTV is a better deal.
Did some more fiddling...
This time on the various boxes.
AppleTV4K - very solid picture, no discernible artifacting.
FireTV Cube 2nd Gen -same as AppleTV
Roku 2020 Ultra - Not as good. With Sling on it you get that almost undetectable jerkiness that can be so irritating. Note I only get this with Sling. Tried switching that box to wired Ethernet but it didn’t help.
ATT’s Osprey box - Same as AppleTV
Note that overall the picture is softer than what ATT’s service provides.
And a little more fiddling...
Voice trickplay with Sling only works on the ATT Osprey for some odd reason. Voice search inside Sling doesn’t work though.
My Roku Ultra 2020 isnt hooked up since I got the Osprey but I recall an option to track the incoming framerate or force it to 60. Perhaps changing that setting would eliminate the slight jerkyness on that box.
Thanks. Didn’t help. Most likely I’ll continue to use the Osprey or FireTV as they give DD5.1 for all apps that have it. AppleTV looks good but Hulu doesn’t do DD5.1 on ATV and I hate the remote.
Question on the Osprey box. How the heck do you get it to turn off, without it turning off everything else? Only way I can find is to hit pause to stop using bandwidth, but then Ive come back to it and found it was streaming again. I cant figure out a way to tell it to STOP. If I try to turn it off, it turns everything else off too, and I dont want to disable CEC.
Without disabling CEC I don’t see any other way
You might try changing the setting for the TV and audio on the Osprey to something you don’t have. And disable CEC on the Osprey.
Ill give that a try, thanks.
I just looked at the Osprey’s setup for remotes. One setting in the Program your remote section is to power off devices. I just turned that off and when I hit the power button, only the Osprey turned off.