ATT TV - a little review

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    Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Yes. You can even watch your shows on your phone if your internet goes down, if you have an unlimited data plan or dont mind the data charges. The phone app is the same app that runs on the TV. Only the app on their Osprey box has features you cannot get with the other apps.
     
  2. lparsons21

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    The problem with AppleTV’s ‘up next’ is that it picks what app will launch for a particular show. For instance a show might be on a live streamer and Hulu, ‘up next’ will pick Hulu. You can usually pick another app instead but more often than not, the live streamer won’t be one of them.
     
  3. NashGuy

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    Looks like this summer's Tokyo Olympics will be the first one to include portions aired live in 4K HDR in the US. Per this article:

    NBCU will distribute its 4K HDR coverage to US distribution partners (i.e. cable operators, telcos, satellite TV providers and OTT-TV service providers), but noted that it will be up to those partners to determine how the content is made available to their respective viewers.

    Wonder if AT&T TV will use this opportunity to incorporate 4K HDR streams into their service as Fubo TV has done? Given that the Tokyo games begin only six weeks from today, I'm not holding my breath. But I imagine NBC will offer an Olympics app that can be authenticated with your cable TV credentials to stream both live and on-demand content, hopefully in 4K HDR. Perhaps that app will be available for AT&T TV's Android TV box.

    However, I do expect to see YouTube TV roll out their announced $10/mo 4K upgrade option in time for the Olympics. (It also includes service to unlimited screens and the ability to download content.) They announced the add-on back in February, saying it would be available in the "coming weeks," so it should roll out any time now.
     
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  4. NashGuy

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    Yes, you can always set a series to launch from a different app if that app is integrated with the Apple TV app. Just about all on-demand apps are but not all streaming cable TV apps. I know the AT&T TV, Spectrum TV, and Fubo TV apps are. Since the base on-demand part of Hulu is, I would think that the Live TV portion of that app is too. PS Vue used to be before it croaked. But YouTube TV and Sling are not. I guess in YTTV's case, Google wants to reserve system integration for their own Google TV platform.
     
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    Yeah, the Hulu Live is integrated but it presents a screwy problem. I had just selected ‘City on the Hill’ from the up next list. It pulled up Hulu which doesn’t actually have that show unless you sub to Showtime through them instead of pulling up the Showtime app. I’d not noticed that earlier.

    With ATT TV the up next would sometimes pull up ATT TV but it was hit or miss. Missing as much as it hit. Not an earth shattering issue of course.

    The advantage of ReelGood and maybe other tracking apps is that you can specify a bit better, which would be great if the app launching from it worked better.
     
  6. swyman18

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    Not to get too off topic, was there more announced on that with the $10/mo confirmed? I haven’t seen anything official other than their loose announcement from Feb like you mentioned.
     
  7. NashGuy

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    Yes, but you should be able to select the Showtime app as the one you want to associate with that series and then Up Next will launch that app for it going forward. Tracking content from Showtime, Starz and Epix is kind of a mess because those services are available inside of so many different apps.
     
  8. NashGuy

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    Google announced it on Feb. 17 on the YouTube Official Blog here:
    Investing to empower the YouTube experience for the next generation of video

    Don't know of anything further that Google has said about it. Perhaps they answered a question or two from individual journalists writing up stories about it like this one:
    YouTube TV is adding offline downloads and 4K streaming
     
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    Many times it does do that, but it isn’t consistent. I actually like the idea of the up next strip but the implementation can get unwieldy as it collects shows.
     
  10. NashGuy

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    It's almost never a problem for me but then I don't subscribe to any streaming cable TV services. For purely on-demand services (other than Netflix), it works great.
     
  11. b4pjoe

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    Agreed. IMO if you start watching something from a service it should always use that service and only that service. Sometimes Apple tries to be too helpful.
     
  12. harsh

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    This is the buzz killer. Making something available is different from delivering it at a reasonable price and in a format that is usable.

    I'm thinking chances are pretty good that much of this 4K availability will come as "authentication" rather than re-transmission since neither Comcast nor NBC have any other way of broadcasting 4K content themselves.
     
  13. NashGuy

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    I've had instances where I switched which app I was watching a show on though, e.g. Big Sky on Hulu but later on the ABC app. Why shouldn't Apple's system follow me and default to launching the next episode of the series in the most recent app I used for it?
     
  14. NashGuy

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    It's not NBCU's responsibility to make sure that MVPDs have the systems in place to deliver 4K HDR to their customers. Comcast does, at least for their cable TV customers with 4K HDR-capable X1 boxes and broadband (because the only way Comcast delivers those advanced video formats is to stream them via IPTV, never via traditional QAM channels). Verizon FiOS TV actually has one or more dedicated 4K HDR QAM channels (accessible even via modern TiVo DVRs) and DirecTV has dedicated 4K HDR DBS channels, so those providers will put the live 4K HDR stuff there. I don't think any MVPD though, even Comcast, will have a 4K version of local NBC affiliates going in their channel grid guide. IDK, maybe Comcast will in those major markets where they own and operate the local NBC affiliate (e.g. NYC, LA, Philly, DC, Dallas, San Fran, etc.). It gets really messy when you involve local stations that are owned by other companies. If ATSC 3.0 was totally up and running nationwide, well, that would be a different story. But it's not.

    So my guess is that Comcast will have some kind of dedicated Olympics hub featured in the X1 UI. Maybe a clickable banner on the home screen and in the grid guide that takes you to the hub which would feature what's on live at the moment, plus have an on-demand section for stuff that's already aired. Clicking on anything live would take you to the linear channel that's airing it, unless the event is available in 4K HDR and you're using an X1 box capable of that format, in which case it launches to a special IPTV stream from Comcast separate from the linear channel. So if you're watching the Opening Ceremonies in 4K HDR, you wouldn't see your local non-O&O NBC affiliate's logo in the corner, or your local time and temp. And the ads featured during the breaks would probably be at least partially different than those airing on your local NBC affiliate's regular ol' HD feed.

    But, yeah, I suspect you're right that a lot of folks who get to watch any of the Tokyo Olympics in 4K HDR will do so via an authenticated app on their own streaming device. I know NBC had an authenticated Olympics app in the past; I remember using it to stream live events on my Apple TV since it offered better HD picture quality than my local NBC station OTA. Hopefully this time that app includes 4K HDR feeds. We'll see...
     
  15. b4pjoe

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    Yeah that would be OK too to use the last app you watched it on.
     
  16. harsh

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    To be sure, not everyone needs to have the UHD version, but if they want to generate interest, they need to make it widely available and not tied to some funky in-house hardware (X1, Flex and whatever Cox is using) or narrowly supported app.

    Other than an app, it is pretty difficult to reach everyone's TVs and it will be an uphill battle to convince Joe Sixpack that more than HD on a phone or tablet is practical even if they can find a way to cast it to a big screen.
     
  17. NashGuy

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    OK, but honestly how else is Comcast/NBCU going to distribute 4K HDR content to consumers aside from the ways you mention? There has to be some sort of broadly available technology/standard whereby it's delivered and they can't just magically make that appear ex nihilo.

    If NBCU (or any other content company such as Netflix, Apple, Warner, etc.) wants to go direct to consumers, the only option is an OTT app that they make available on all the usual platforms (Roku, Apple TV, Fire TV, etc.). I fully expect NBCU to do that again for this year's Olympics, although we don't know yet if it will support live 4K HDR this time.

    As for reaching viewers through their own in-house distribution system (Comcast), the only thing I can think that would broaden the reach by a tiny bit would be to create dedicated 4K HDR QAM linear channels (as Verizon FiOS TV has done). So in addition to X1 4K IPTV-capable boxes being able to access the content, 4K-capable TiVos could access it via CableCARD. But based on figures I've seen in recent years, I'd estimate that less than 0.5% of Comcast's cable TV customers are accessing the service with a 4K-capable TiVo. It's a totally negligible slice of the customer base. If you have Comcast cable TV, you can rent a 4K HDR-capable X1 box for the same monthly rental price as an HD-only box; there's no additional charge for access to 4K (although you may need to have Comcast broadband service too, not sure). So it's easy enough for Comcast TV customers to access their limited 4K content if they want it.
     
  18. Davenlr

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    Interestingly, our market just announced one of its stations would HOST an ATSC 3.0 transmitter starting June 30th, and so far, three 720p and our 1080i NBC affiliate has signed on. I rather doubt they could transmit a 4K and 3 720p streams at once, but who knows. Would be interesting.
     
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    I thought Comcast had a 4K QAM channel at one point
     
  20. James Long

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    The FCC rules require the ATSC 1.0 channel and the ATSC 3.0 channel to be substantially similar. This prevents stations from transmitting ATSC 1.0 in a lesser format than their ATSC 3.0 signal.

    The important step for ATSC 3.0 now is to get people to install tuners so they can eventually turn off their ATSC 1.0 channels (move back from the host station to their own ATSC 3.0 channel). At that point the substantially similar restriction would end. The FCC has not set a date for when stations will be allowed to end ATSC 1.0 transmission.
     

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