ATT TV - a little review

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  1. NashGuy

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    I'm a little surprised that AT&T TV decided to include the ability to watch on 20 simultaneous screens in-home as part of their base package. That kind of feature costs extra on Hulu Live and FuboTV. YouTube TV doesn't yet offer such an upgrade but they soon will, as part of a $10 upgrade package that includes unlimited at-home screens, 4K and downloadable content.

    AT&T TV would be more competitively positioned if they'd cut $5 off the price of their base packages, or at least Entertainment, to bring it down to the same $65/mo price point that YTTV, Hulu Live and FuboTV all advertise. Then AT&T TV could include the 20 in-home streams along with unlimited cloud DVR (and hopefully soon, 4K) in the optional $10 upgrade. They also need to extend the retention period for cloud DVR recordings from 90 days to one year.

    Maybe we'll see some changes along those lines -- along with the addition of PBS and NFL Network (perhaps as well as MeTV, which Uverse TV has) -- when the new DirecTV company takes charge this summer.

    Wonder if we'll see any shake-ups to the channel packages (or to what degree it's even possible given the carriage contracts in place)? Rather than having discrete step-up tiers like Choice, Ultimate and Premiere (along with the nearly-forgotten Movies Extra Pack that can be added to any tier), it would make more sense IMO to reconfigure everything outside of the base Entertainment tier into optional packs that can be added to Entertainment. Maybe put all of the sports channels above Entertainment (e.g. RSNs, MLB Network, NBA TV, NHL Network, FS2, Golf, Tennis, SEC Network, Big 10 Network, etc.) into a Sports Extra Pack that sells for $20/mo rather than dividing them between Choice and Ultimate. Then take all of the non-sports channels (except the premium channels and the Starz Encore channels) outside of Entertainment and group them into one or more add-on packs that sell for however much (maybe $15 if they were all lumped into one). The Starz Encore channels (which are the main upgrade in the current Ultimate tier) would only be sold as part of an a la carte Starz subscription. I suppose they still might market a "gimme everything" package like Premier for folks who aren't concerned with cost and just want a simple box to check to get all the channels.
     
  2. Steveknj

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    I'm really interested to see what happens when the new management team takes over both AT&T TV and DirecTV. I wonder what their ideas are for both. Hopefully they will have a clear direction so we'll all have an idea of what may happen in the future.
     
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  3. harsh

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    Given how few that could actually take advantage of 20 connections from the same IP address, I suspect that the 20 streams thing is a "shock and awe" bullet point rather than something practical.
     
  4. NashGuy

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    Yeah, to some extent I guess that's true. Although I've seen a decent number of folks indicate on forums such as this that they have DTV service on more than 3 TVs in their house. Seems I even read one or two say that was a reason they wouldn't switch to AT&T TV back before they began offering more then 3 simultaneous streams. So it has real value to some customers.
     
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    I wonder how many people have broadband connections that would support 160mbps of consistent bandwidth to support 20 streams at max quality, particularly if you assume this viewing would be during prime viewing hours when CDN and ISP networks are under maximum load.
     
  6. harsh

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    It is kind of like 16 tuners on the Hopper 3. Few are likely to use more than half of them at any one time but there they are.

    The trick here is that people are going to assume that they can share their account with friends but only three of the 20 streams can be off the home LAN. If VPNs are used on any of the devices (as opposed to a router-level VPN), those count against the "on the go" count.
     
  7. compnurd

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    Probably a good amount
     
  8. compnurd

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    Your not going to see NFL until the Next contract is up which is also when the Sunday ticket contract is up. The NFL strong armed ATT when the uverse contract expired. PBS there is a lot of speculation on Reddit since Google was the one who helped PBS go streaming for YTTV that there is some kind of exclusive contract there for awhile
     
  9. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I know that's what we've said in the past. But at this point, I don't see how keeping the NFL Network carriage contract tied up with NFL Sunday Ticket benefits either side. AT&T/DTV chose not to use their early exit option last year, so their deal as the exclusive distributor of NFL ST will definitely remain in place through the end of the current contract, i.e. Dec. 2022. But everyone seems to think that AT&T/DTV will not be renewing that deal afterwards. The NFL has been talking to both Amazon and ESPN+ and they reportedly want NFL ST to have a strong streaming presence in the next deal.

    Meanwhile, NFL Network is already available to about 80-85% of AT&T's cable TV subs, i.e. those on DTV, and will apparently remain there through the end of 2022. I don't see why either side wouldn't want to strike a simple 2-yr carriage deal to put NFL Network on AT&T TV and Uverse TV, to cover the rest of the AT&T subscriber base until the current deals for NFL Network and NFL ST conclude on DTV. How does keeping NFL Network off of AT&T TV this year and next do anything to increase the NFL's hand with regard to negotiations for post-2022 carriage deals? It just keeps a little more carriage money out of their pockets in the meantime.

    Hmm, yeah, that would make sense. Would explain why no other vMVPD has added PBS even though PBS stations have the capability now for a long while. Not long after going live on YTTV, many (most?) PBS stations began carrying their live stream in the free PBS app and website. Perhaps Google offered PBS financial and technical help in getting the streaming infrastructure in place at their member stations in exchange for being the exclusive vMVPD to carry them, but with the ability of PBS stations to distribute their live streams for free in their own PBS app and website. I can see how PBS would have taken such a deal as it definitely helped to expand their reach. I guess they figured that streaming TV viewers using vMVPDs other than YTTV (such as AT&T TV) could just switch to the free PBS app and watch there.

    YTTV first added PBS stations in Dec. 2019. So if they locked up a 2-yr exclusive, that would end this Dec. If it was an 18-mo. exclusive, that would've lapsed last month. Strange to think that PBS would've agreed to a longer exclusivity term than 2 years if they had hopes of ever striking carriage deals with other vMVPDs, although it's certainly possible.
     
  10. compnurd

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    Honestly not having the NFL network is not a huge deal It’s not like they have a huge amount of exclusive games anymore

    PBS is always strapped for cash so Google getting them going let’s just say for free for a 2-3 year. Wouldn’t surprise me
     
  11. Davenlr

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    I do. 1 Gbps fiber, no data cap. With 3 streams playing on YouTubeTV, a speedtest on my computer still does 980 Mb/s
     
  12. NashGuy

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    Football is still the most popular US sport and cable TV increasingly depends on sports fans. So I think it does put AT&T TV at a bit of competitive disadvantage not to have NFL Network when Comcast, DTV, DISH, YTTV, Sling and Fubo TV all have it.

    I was over at a friend's new house yesterday and noticed that he had the AT&T TV device connected to his living room TV. I asked him about it and he said they had gotten AT&T Fiber and TV installed when they recently moved in. He was an enthusiastic fan of AT&T TV, showing me how it worked, saying he was paying about half what he did on Comcast for broadband plus TV. He mentioned that it had "all the sports channels. Well, except for NFL Network."
     
  13. compnurd

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    I mean I am a huge football fan. I haven’t missed it at all
     
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    That would be me. The 20 simultaneous streams was the thing that made me decide to jump. Actually if it was 10, I would have done it, but 20? Even better. When it was limited to 3 that would have caused major problems in my house. Now, not only can we stream whenever we want, but we can record many simultaneous shows and not have to worry about using a tuner (which became an issue from time to time on DirecTV).
     
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    I don't know about 20, but we do 5 quite frequently. I think 20 is probably more of a marketing number, and that there are very few who use 20. But hey, as long at it's more than 3 which is what they had before, it works for me.
     
  16. Steveknj

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    The only thing I miss is occasionally, when there's nothing on, being able to flip to a classic game and watch. And I used to like their draft coverage better than ESPNs, but not a big deal really. I did notice that Pluto has the NFL Channel and that has some classic games if I need my fix. But, even the live games on NFL Network are also shown on Fox, so I wouldn't even miss those. I agree, I'm not really missing it. That said, if they can get Red Zone....
     
  17. harsh

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    Do you anticipate having seven or more streaming sessions going on in your residence at once?
     
  18. compnurd

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    I have had 9 at one point
     
  19. Steveknj

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    I think 7 would be about the limit, so no. Ten would give me some headroom. Twenty? Way more than I need, but not complaining
     
  20. James Long

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    Better to have "too many" than not enough. People are more likely to have multiple devices than the same number of receivers. Might as well set the number high.

    Set the number at 10 and we'd have a thousand post thread at why it should be 11. :) Less likely at 20 and the higher limit only hurts the customer if they have insufficient Internet.
     
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