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Automakers begin trimming their lineups

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Steve615, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. RasputinAXP

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

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    Uh, what? Not to bust rocks here, but BMW had nothing to do with Saturn. Opel, yes, but they're just GM. They offered the L81 V6 and the 4 cylinder L61.

    Nothing BMW going on there at all.
     
  2. davring

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  3. Grentz

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    The only loss on that list IMO is the S2000. Great car and really Honda's only sports car IMO.

    Toyota has a lot of SUVs, but they are each very unique and serve purposes IMO. The only duplication really is the Sequoia which was the poor mans land cruiser, but also its own machine in that it was the 4runner type hybrid, just larger (built off of the Tundra pickup instead of the Tacoma like the 4runner). They have a lot of SUVs, but IMO Toyota is a lot about SUVs. The 4 Runner and Land Cruiser particularly are cars with very unqiue and dominating skills in their areas. The 4runner spawned from the covered pickups and turned into its own unique SUV (really nothing like it out there), while the land cruiser got its marks for being a rock solid beast for just about any harsh climate.

    Also, they have a lot of appeal in other countries, not just the US.

    Rav4 - Entry level SUV
    FJ Cruiser - Unique retro throw back to the classic land cruiser and off roaders
    Highlander - Soccer Mom/Middle Class SUV
    4runner - An true classic in Toyota's line up, more offroady/hardcore than the highlander and made for a different crowd.
    Land Cruiser - the true off road and international beast. Still the car of choice of the UN.


    The main people holding back gas mileage are the big three by being such monopolies and kicking out/support harsh government rulings on alternatives like diesel and hydrogen. It is insane that you can buy a big car in europe that will easily do 30mpg, yet here that is somehow good! The prius/hybrids/smart cars at around 40-50mpg are thought amazing, yet in europe you have tons of cars that can do that easily. At least give us diesel.
     
  4. gcvt

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    No more Hummers?! Men world-wide revolt! :lol:
     
  5. harsh

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    I believe the correct terminology is 4WD. VW made the only marginally successful FWD pickup and it had a payload of a few hundred pounds.
     
  6. Lee L

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    As others said, there have been no Hummers since the H1 stopped being sold. Only wannabees.
     
  7. harsh

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    For the lion's share of the population the term SUV and purpose don't usually fit in the same sentence.
     
  8. Stuart Sweet

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    Oh, well, if the purpose is to look like a fuel-wasting doofus, yes, there is a lot of that. Of course some people legitimately do tow boats or shuttle a half-dozen children, but they are in the minority to be sure.
     
  9. ProfLonghair

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    I think SubUrban Vehicle fits just fine...
     
  10. James Long

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    Generally SUV is Sports Utility Vehicle.
     
  11. dodge boy

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    The only one I'll miss is the Viper....

    Also slated to be gone are the Dodge Caravan and Dodge Magnum, according to the few mags I've read......
    Sad day for a "Dodge Boy" but on the other hand there will be a Road Runner prototype built....
     
  12. dodge boy

    dodge boy R.I.P. Chris Henry

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    Watch it, I love gass guzzers, but gas guzzlers of a different type, American Muscle Cars and Sports Cars.... Getting 8 miles to the gallon isn't so bad if you are going 130+ :lol:
     
  13. Grentz

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    For our household we have 2 SUVs. Actually 1 SUV and 1 pickup. Both are used for their purpose though and regularly tow trailers/boats and have a full back area of tools and things that are actively being used.

    I know many households dont use their SUVs for what they were really designed, but for many others it is a necessary item to have.
     
  14. Stuart Sweet

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    Dodge Boy, I applaud your sensible use of fuel for your entertainment. And Grentz, as I said there are those with a legitimate need for an SUV.
     
  15. Nick

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    Thanks for the news...I was wondering. :rolleyes:

    WSB's consumer know-it-all, Clark Howard, calls SUVs "Sport Utes", an ugly name if I ever heard one!
     
  16. James Long

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    It depends on how far you actually go. If you're going 300-500 miles returning to the starting point within 2 1/2 miles in most cases perhaps there is entertainment value in that low gas mileage endeavor. :)

    Of course he who proves that he can get to the end of the mileage quicker by slowing down, using less fuel, and not spending time in the "gas stations" along the way often gets to be called a winner. :lol:

    When will there be the first hybrid NASCAR?
     
  17. curt8403

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    nascar should return to it's roots and burn moonshine :lol::D
     
  18. Lee L

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    Well, Formula One is allowing the energy recovery systems this year, so they are headed in that direction.

    NASCAR is still using 1950's style engines - refined about as much as possible with modern engineering and materials, of course, but still old tech. I doubt we will see anything hybrid from NASCAR in a long time if ever. They would have to change to fuel injection first.
     
  19. rudeney

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    I hate to say this, but there are very few American made production cars I'd drive over 130mph! The Corvette is one, but that's I can't think of too many others, and especially none more than 10 years old. Those "muscle cars" were great for drag racing, but they handle like crap.

    Oh, and I'm not afraid of speed at all. I've done some amateur track racing and had experience in many supercars on the track (I used to work for a major European auto maker and got to drive a lot of unique cars). I consider it a boring day when I don't break 100mph on my way to work.
     
  20. rudeney

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    Yes, in today's world, it's pretty darn difficult to get by without having an SUV or pickup truck in the garage. Still, I believe very few people can actually make a bona fide case for "needing" a Hummer.
     

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