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Baby First TV -- stealing candy from babies

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by mistagriffit, Dec 13, 2011.

  1. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008

    Once the new customer offer starts only offering mpeg 4 receivers is when the transition really starts. The HR34 however was, I think, the first real step to prepare for that.
  2. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    I suspect that they will migrate to all mpeg-4 from several directions, and I should have said this may be the begin in terms of national broadcast channels, they have already stared that thinking with some of the LIL's. I think they will do it via hardware, and offerings both.
  3. JoeTheDragon

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    well they need to do some thing about all the sports bar's and hotels with SD boxes and SD matrix switches / analog cox. Directv may need to keep stocks of older h23 / h24 that has more ports then what the h25 has and the older h23 / h24 works with Multi-switchs. Now HD boxes can out put SD for the older matrix switches but they don't have analog cox out.

    Also I think that Commercial places own the receivers so Directv may have to offer a deal in where they give you free HD equipment upgrade (up X boxes I think most places have at least 8 boxes) + dish + Multi-switch + SWIM + dish. For signing up for HD. But any ways down the road as SD goes way they may have to do it any ways. Maybe also have some kind of kick back to help the Commercial places on the upgrade cost to the matrix switches systems.
  4. mx6bfast

    mx6bfast Hall Of Fame

    Nov 8, 2006
    No he's not.
  5. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Dec 9, 2006
    While you may agree with them [which is fine], the OP looks to be a hit and run poster, since there is one post, this thread, and three minutes later was their last activity [six days ago] on this forum.
  6. maartena

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    And you are locked in to another 2 year agreement as well, which might be something the topic starter does not want.

    In my opinion, his complaint is SOMEWHAT valid. Why does DirecTV have to move the channel to a satellite that some current viewers might not be able to receive due to the lack of proper equipment? It is an SD channel, why not leave it exactly where it is?

    In this situation, it seems like that if you don't currently have HD equipment (because you are happy with your current TV), the only way to continue to watch this BabyFirst channel, is to get locked in to another 2 year contract.
  7. The Merg

    The Merg 1*

    Jun 24, 2007
    Northern VA
    Not necessarily true. You can upgrade the dish yourself to a HD-capable dish and can purchase your own HD receivers (owned ones) or at least a MPEG-4 receiver, such as the R22. I'm not absolutely positive, but if you had a R22 receiver and a HD-capable dish, you should be able to see Baby First TV. If anything, you would need to subscribe to HD service, but using AutoPay you would get that fee credited back to you (in this case you would also require an actual HD receiver or DVR and not just a R22).

    And since you are activating owned receivers, there would be no new lease agreement.

    - Merg
  8. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    And again, if your currently a sub to baby tv, I'd call in and ask for a free upgrade with no new commitment, since they are changing how you can get it, and you are not trying to add it.
  9. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    I'm guessing their wont be to many people that fall into this category, that sub to that and only have sd service.
  10. Shades228

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    There will be an agreement there isn't a special upgrade just for this just like when NASA went to MPEG-4. Pricing will be based on the account.
  11. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Possibly, but remember, NASA was always a free service. Baby wasn't, you had to pay specifically for that channel. Makes the circumstances a little different. I guess we will find out in time.
  12. ChicagoBlue

    ChicagoBlue Godfather

    Apr 29, 2011

    Let's insert some facts into this thread. Comments like the one above and other comments like "they pulled this same thing with NASA" is nonsense.

    This is not the case at all on a number of levels. Directv is required to have a certain number of PIO channels at various orbital slots by a percentage of total channels offered. The number is 4%. They needed to add another at 99/103 slot to be in compliance with that mandate. No different than NASA and GOD TV changes. There is no "ploy". As DTV has added channels at 99 and 103, they needed to also add PIO channels at those slots per the FCC.

    From what I understand, the majority of Baby First customers have at least one HD receiver and are not affected. A small minority do not have MPEG4 HD equipment, but most of them are eligible for discounted or even free HD hardware upgrades. Not all, but most.

    DTV is now allowing for the channel to be free to all of its customers that have HD equipment starting in mid January. It's unfortunate that some customers will have to upgrade to continue viewing BabyFirst, but to suggest this is a way to force HD upgrades is incorrect especially when considering why the channel is moving to the PIO designation in the first place. If DTV was forcing HD upgrades on people as some kind of ploy, they sure would have been smarter to pick a service that has many more subscribers than BabyFirst does. The accusation is ridiculous on all levels.

    In the end, the vast majority of customers will get a channel for free that they would have had to pay for in the past. That's a good thing. Unfortunately, a small handful of customers will have to get an HD upgrade or not get the channel. What are these customers going to do in a few years when SD is no longer offered? Complain then as well? Get over it.

    If you don't want to pay for the HD Access fee, go to auto bill pay and get it waived.
  13. crkeehn

    crkeehn Godfather

    Apr 22, 2002
    Yes, at the point that SD is no longer offered I would have to complain and/or drop DTV entirely. Due to line of sight issues I can see none of the HD satellites. I see the SD satellite through a notch between two trees. The trees blocking LOS are all on my neighbors property so removing them is not an option.
  14. mrdobolina

    mrdobolina AllStar

    Aug 28, 2006
    A Mile High
    What are "PIO" channels?
  15. Satelliteracer

    Satelliteracer Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
  16. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Are you sure about that? 99 and 103 spots are very close to 101 and usually if you can see 101 you can see the other two. Now it used to be all the hd came from 110 and. 119 and those two locations had all kinds of Los issues because they where so much further away, but that's changed, so if you haven't had that checked since then, I'd check again. I'd be amazed if your window is that small, That's an extremely rare situation.
  17. Justin23

    Justin23 Hall Of Fame

    Jan 10, 2008
    Right now there is a monthly charge for BFTV a la carte. Starting mid-January they are making it available for free to all customers. But I am sure they will have to pay a monthly carriage fee to whomever owns BFTV. Pretty sure moving to this "free" channel is going to cost *D more in carriage fees...
  18. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    I wouldn't bet on that, it's possible they redid the entire contract so the payment comes out the same, but the channel will still win by being able to get more from advertising dollars by having a higher customer base.
  19. ladannen

    ladannen Legend

    Oct 26, 2007
    Does this channel even show advertising?
  20. twiseguy

    twiseguy Legend

    Jan 31, 2011
    Stow, Ohio
    So now I can get Baby First TV, that`s put on HD transponder space that could have been used to carry Fox Sports Ohio/Cinci HD.

    Great, Ohio sports fans lose out again.

    Betting babies can really tell the difference.
    Thanks Direct TV

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