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Bad news for Netflix, Blockbuster, Amazon, etc

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by gully_foyle, Nov 15, 2007.

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  1. Nov 19, 2007 #81 of 146
    Ken S

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    You feel the same way about your own property as well I hope. I mean you really don't mind if someone takes your car?
     
  2. Nov 19, 2007 #82 of 146
    Steve Mehs

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    Intellectual property and real property are two different things.
     
  3. Nov 19, 2007 #83 of 146
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    I look at it this way....

    I rent DVDs and copy them, mostly because I don't always have the time to watch them during the rental period. I feel that if I paid for the rental, then I should be able to watch it at my convenience in the format I want. I rarely save these movies, usually burn them to rewritable media and then reuse the media. And I NEVER sell it or give it away.

    Now, look at it this way as well. D* actually gives you the ability to copy anything they broadcast, be it PPV, Premium, sports or whatever. The old D* TIvos always had a "save to VCR" function, and there's no stopping you from hitting play and recording to DVD at the same time. And, you can keep anything you record on the DVR as long as you want, essentionly giving you the ability to "keep" anything.

    I think as long as you keep it for yourself and don't sell it or give it away then it should be legal. Years ago, there was the same controversy when cassette tapes came out, and the ruling was, that as long as you copy an LP record or another tape to a tape for your own personal use, then it's legal. In fact, many of us had dual cassette players.

    Why is that different than copying a movie for your own use?
     
  4. Nov 19, 2007 #84 of 146
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    All this talk about "stealing" DVD's says a lot about a persons character... or lack there of. But that's just me. :rolleyes:


    Until HD PPV's are much less than $5 a pop, Netflix and BB have nothing to worry about.
     
  5. Nov 19, 2007 #85 of 146
    Steve Mehs

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    It really makes no difference what you or anyone else thinks about me. You may be a perfect angel but I'm not, nor do I want to be.
     
  6. Nov 19, 2007 #86 of 146
    photostudent

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    I can understand some paying the premium for PPV HD, (unless you read restaurant menus right to left like me). But I heard a rumor of a $99 HD DVD player at Walmart this coming Black Friday. That kind of pricing could pump up disk rentals and sales at the expense of PPV HD.
     
  7. Nov 20, 2007 #87 of 146
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    I don't rent as much as I used to, but I wouldn't attribute that just to the new movie channels in hd channels. Unless you get all of them, which is rather expensive per month, even compared to netflix, the selection is not nearly the same. But mainly I now just rent things I really want to see since they usually come out sooner on hd dvd or bluray, or dvds that have appealing extra features. I never order pay per view.
     
  8. Nov 20, 2007 #88 of 146
    Ken S

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    Stealing is stealing. Unfortunately, to some it's "justifiable" as long as it's not their property being stolen.
     
  9. Nov 20, 2007 #89 of 146
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    That was their pre Black Friday sale from a couple weeks ago. Already done and gone.
     
  10. Nov 20, 2007 #90 of 146
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    Stealing is stealing, copyright infringement is not stealing, fair use is also not stealing.

    I see the propaganda has worked on you though.
     
  11. Nov 20, 2007 #91 of 146
    Ken S

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    Copyright infrigement is very much theft. Fair Use is an exception to the law. If you qualify under that exception than it's not theft. The people that state "Fair Use" generally have never read the law and have no clue as to what Fair Use actually applies to....but then, why let the facts get in the way of soothing a guilty conscience.

    It's amazing what people will say and do to justify in their minds that it's alright to take/use someone else's property without right or permission. I see and hear it all the time...I also see them come in screaming and red-faced when the same happens to them. You may not like the way something is sold or licensed...that's understandable...but that doesn't give you the right to take it.

    I'm not telling you what to do..that's your own decision.
     
  12. Nov 20, 2007 #92 of 146
    Steve Mehs

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    Who said anything about a guilty conscience? I just plain don't care. I don't have a guilty conscience for driving 10 MPH over the speed limit and I sure as hell don't have a guilty conscience for copying movies from Netflix and just pissing all over everything related to copyrights. Ohhh I copied Die Hard 4, now Bruce Willis' kids can't attend that elite private school. Oooh I got Office 2007 from BitTorrent now Bill Gates will have to go down the the welfare office. I'm such a bad bad boy :lol:
     
  13. Nov 20, 2007 #93 of 146
    Ken S

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    You've convinced me as to what you are.
     
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    Steve Mehs

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    Ouch :lol:

    Well I'm not an angel like you.
     
  15. Nov 20, 2007 #95 of 146
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    Actually they have provided such an alternative -- it's called buying the retail disc.
     
  16. Nov 20, 2007 #96 of 146
    gully_foyle

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    So, Steve Mehs of Marilla, NY, if someone were to forward your posts ( being your "intellectual property" ) about how you copy all your movies to the MPAA, you'd have no problem with that? I mean, they'd be jerks to do that, but since you think being a jerk is OK, that shouldn't be a problem. Or are your posts your property somehow? Just asking....
     
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    Wow! I really hope you're using an alias.
     
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    ...and really hope he's not. :rolleyes:
     
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    But rentals are not the same as broadcast. HBO buys the rights to broadcast movies. Time shifting of broadcast media *is* an accepted practice. But rentals rely on the principal that if you own something you can freely give it to someone else for them to enjoy. But you have to give them the original media, not a copy.

    Borland used to have a policy for their software which was very reasonable. They said if you can do it with a book, then you can do it with our s/w. Can you read a book in any room you want? Sure. So it was ok to load their s/w on all of your computers. You could also use the program for an hour on your computer, and then your friend could use the program on his computer for an hour. This would be like you handed the book to your friend. But you and your friend were not allowed to operate the program at the same time. You simply cannot do that with a book.

    So even by the most liberal copyright standards I can think of, what you're doing is not legit.

    As for the DMCA ... you broke the law the instant you started copying.
     
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    I wonder how you'd feel if some less than angelic folks found a way of diverting some of your paycheck away from you? If it was some person, not as fortunate as you, would you accept it if they said, "Oh too bad for you, now you can't afford to...", in the same unapologetic way you so easily rationalize what you are doing?

    When my house was robbed a few months ago, I would imagine that is how the people who cleaned me out squared it away in their minds, saying to themselves that it was okay to take from me, because I have more than them.
     
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