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  1. Mar 29, 2021 #61 of 109
    James Long

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    My goal is not to defend either side ... just to state the way it is - like it or not.

    Thank you for listing more problems beyond the scope of this thread. I have watched other companies fail that people would have said would last forever. Some following the same patterns as the ones you list.

    As for the sports leagues it may be difficult to undo the choices made during the boom years when there was less competition for viewers. Money is involved. It is hard to take it out of the equation.
     
  2. Mar 29, 2021 #62 of 109
    HGuardian

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    In 10 years MLB could contract 2 teams, cut payrolls 50%, World Series ratings could decline an additional 40%, attendance could drop 25%, and an RSN deal with MGMFanduel4K for $500 million could be made and I'd read on here that MLB is actually doing fine, and this is a great deal for the league.
     
  3. Mar 29, 2021 #63 of 109
    HGuardian

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    I think that's at the crux of what several people have posted, and no one is even remotely implying money isn't a factor. It's the continued ignorance of MLB to grow the young fanbase because they are chasing larger short term profits (not like they'd be losing money to invest something to grow the game and expand it's reach). I feel like most people don't talk to any sports fans under 40. The major league baseball fan is a dying breed, literally. Just look at the demographics. Bally/Fox not being available to a ton of people who literally want to pay for it is a part of this issue.
     
  4. Mar 29, 2021 #64 of 109
    Andrew Sullivan

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    Keep in mind that even though I highlighted MLB don't forget NBA and NHL. NFL is a catagory unto itself. Between the NBA, NHL, MLB you have almost 100 teams competing for your sports dollar. That dollar can only be stretched so far but at least games via TV broadcast allows for a different direction to stretch that dollar. I just read that TV sales over the last few years have migrated towards bigger and higher quality screens. One big reason (certainly not the only) for that is supposedly because of sports. If that's the case then when you drop $1500-3000 on that 65"-85"TV you better feed it.
     
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    Soccer is growing, so that's another live sport. I believe the MLS has made some very intelligent decisions the past few years getting their game to more and more people. Not to mention all the Premier League, Serie A, etc broadcasts that are now available in the US and continue to grow. Not to be "that guy" but e-"sports" and Twitch is huge too.

    Streaming is booming, and the home experience to watching sports continues to only get better. Any league not actively working to get their games on more screens and additional platforms is shooting itself in the foot.

    As much as many of us enjoy the DIRECTV platform, or even cable, those ways to watch sports reach less and less people every day. Leagues should not be hitching themselves to them exclusively.
     
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  6. Mar 29, 2021 #66 of 109
    James Long

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    With one notable exception (NFL ST) no league has an exclusive with DIRECTV. Even that exception is extremely limited. I'm not sure how or if the NFL can replace that guaranteed $1.5 billion per year in today's marketplace ... but that is a subject of another thread.

    RSNs who buy games who are free to make deals with any or all MVPDs. Or not. RSNs are not forced to cut a deal with every MVPD or vMVPD. But they are not limited to AT&T|DIRECTV. The lack of RSN distribution deals for Sinclair is not the league's doing.
     
  7. Mar 29, 2021 #67 of 109
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    Nobody said it was absolutly Sinclairs fault. The question we poor peons have is why that not one single entity other than ATT could come to an arrangement with Sinclar. .logic would hint that perhaps the asking price was too high. Obviously not according to Sinclair. One observation over the past two or three years revolve around on screen messages on DISH Network, DirecTV, and COX, to name a few, stating that certain Sinclair owned stations will be blacked out in certain areas because of contract problems. On a couple of those occasions said channels did go black for a period of time.
     
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    James Long

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    That is the summary of every contract dispute in one line. :)

    No contract, no carry. Carrying a channel without a valid contract is a very bad idea. Short term extensions agreed to by both parties help keep channels on the air ... nasty on air messages and social media blitzes help keep channels off the air. If you walked into a restaurant and the guy at the door said "you're fat, your wife is ugly and I'm going to charge you $40 for a $10 steak" would you eat there? That is the deal being offered by the channels no longer carried.

    When one provider refused to agree to a deal one might blame the provider. But now there are several who have decided that Sinclair is asking too much for their RSNs the pattern is clearer. I don't believe AT&T|DIRECTV would have the Sinclair RSNs if it wasn't for needing the broadcast affiliates Sinclair also owns. It is a bad situation. It is also "normal" for the industry.
     
  9. Mar 29, 2021 #69 of 109
    Andrew Sullivan

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    Strange restaurant analogy but OK. I know the name is AT&/DirecTV but the Sinclairs out here are not on DirecTV. Normal is a term that we should not accept in some cases. A new term has been coined in the last year, "the new normal". Maybe that new normal can be spread. Like the phrase from an old movie "I'm tired and I won't take it anymore". Wishful thinking. A lot of normals have changed lately.
     
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    James Long

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    Fox Sports Arizona will continue to air on DIRECTV after the name change to Bally Sports Arizona. Same channel, same cost.
    This was stated in post #5 of this thread and is posted on the FOX Sports Arizona website.

    https://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/bally-sports-arizona-faq-031721

    And if you still don't believe it, wait a couple of days.


    (Here is the almost compete list of FOX Sports Arizona soon to be Bally Sports Arizona carriage.)
     
  11. Mar 29, 2021 #71 of 109
    Andrew Sullivan

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    If you Google "where can I watch Bally Sports in Arizona" it says ATT with a package that is $84.99. DirecTV was not mentioned plus you must sign a two year contract with Directv.

    It looks like as of a few days ago Bally will be available on DirecTV and Cox Cable. I am in Sun City West
     
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  12. Mar 29, 2021 #72 of 109
    James Long

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    The list linked is as of November 19 2020 ... but who is counting.

    I have heard people say "Google is your friend". Perhaps not your friend. :)
     
  13. Mar 30, 2021 #73 of 109
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    Did DIRECTV reup with the RSN after Sinclair bought them? I didn’t think the contracts had been up for renewal at DIRECTV since Sinclair got them.
     
  14. Mar 30, 2021 #74 of 109
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    If you get FOX RSN today you’ll get the Bally’s RSN tomorrow. They are the exact same channels just rebranded. Same people same crews same everything, except the name of the station. They just hadn’t necessarily update all web sites to reflect the new name yet. So google may be behind in getting caught up in that.
     
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    James Long

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    Renewal announced October 17, 2019. The Sinclair deal closed in August 2019.
     
  16. Mar 30, 2021 #76 of 109
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    It's also the same contract that covers AT&T/DirecTV's rights for Marquee Sports Network
     
  17. Mar 31, 2021 #77 of 109
    Andrew Sullivan

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    Well, the squeaky wheel (me I guess) certainly got noticed here in the Phoenix area. I forwarded several articles (Milwaukee Journal) as well as personal emails from me regarding this conversation. A huge article in this mornings Arizona Republic referencing those articles and my emails, ( they included several conversations with Sinclair people) and went out of their way to not only mention who is carrying BALLY SPORTS, but also the cost of their required packages but also mentioning who is no longer streaming BALLY SPORTS. Not just in this market but all over the country.
     
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    Sinclair Broadcast Group regional sports network feud hurts fans
     
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    harsh

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    It is interesting how much the ballyhoo here sounds like the Pac-12 Networks laments.
     
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  20. Mar 31, 2021 #80 of 109
    Andrew Sullivan

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    You are so so correct about the PAC-12 debacle. A perfect example of the customer getting the shaft. I've been complaining about that fiasco for years. The PAC-12 Network is available on Sling though. But no BALLY.
     

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