Bally Sports Network

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  1. Mar 31, 2021 #81 of 105
    inkahauts

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    Carriage has nothing to do with the name change.

    Not one person who could get the stations yesterday can’t still get them today.

    Streaming right now is where people are going to get out from watching sports because they believe the only reason their cable bills where high is sports. They are wrong and will be finding that out slowly but surely as Hollywood is adding more separate streamers. Like discovery plus. Sports will be the last to offer that kind of package. And by the time they do it won’t be way more expensive than a lot of these smaller packages we have now….
     
  2. Mar 31, 2021 #82 of 105
    Andrew Sullivan

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    Sure they can, if they want to pay $90 a month. The Suns are on right now. Of course they will only let 3,000 people in.
     
  3. Mar 31, 2021 #83 of 105
    inkahauts

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    Maybe in your area but you can get them for less than that here in Los Angeles. And we have more RSNs than anyone I think.

    You just have to have the right package from the right provider (spectrum offered good prices if you bundle with internet here) or get a good deal from DIRECTV.
     
  4. Mar 31, 2021 #84 of 105
    Andrew Sullivan

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    The package from DirecTV that includes Bally is $90mo + tax plus DVR lease of $10-15 mo plus you need to sign a two year contract. COX Cable here is $84.99 mo + tax. You can't get it on Dosh Network, or Sling, or YouTube, or HULU, or Fubo. Where are you getting it in LA of not from Comcast, DirecTV, or ATT?
     
  5. Apr 1, 2021 #85 of 105
    B. Shoe

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    Initial thoughts over watching the newly branded channel, while getting ready for the Cardinals' season opener:

    Holy Skittles, Batman. There is a LOT of red in this graphics package/studio set decor. If you're one of those "turn up the brightness, saturation and contrast to 10" guys, you're likely recalibrating your set just a little bit tonight.
     
  6. Apr 28, 2021 #86 of 105
    B. Shoe

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    Some added info, from a (former) FOX Sports Midwest region viewer, now that the Bally-branded streaming app is now in play.

    Still receiving St. Louis Cardinals, Indiana Pacers and Memphis Grizzlies games, as normal. The streaming app has offered Kansas City Royals games in the default live program list each of the past two nights, but I'm unable to access them. No loss/gain on my end, just an observation if anyone else is receiving feeds that they didn't before.
     
  7. Jun 11, 2021 #87 of 105
    NashGuy

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    New story out in today's NY Post claims that Sinclair is talking about a $23/mo price tag for the direct-to-consumer standalone streaming version of their Bally Sports RSNs expected to launch in early 2022.

    Sinclair raising $250M for new sports streaming service: sources

    I had predicted a price tag in the $15-20 range, so this sounds a little high to me. Not sure it'll get a ton of takers. Still though, it'll be another option for consumers.
     
  8. Jun 11, 2021 #88 of 105
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    It’s about what I expected and shows that they are overvalued by the provider and also shows why so many live streamers dropped them.
     
  9. Jun 11, 2021 #89 of 105
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    We have a pretty good idea of how much MVPDs get charged to carry these RSNs because many of them break it out as a separate fee on customers' bills. It's typically in the range of $8-10. So they're going to charge standalone customers about 2.5 times as much. Although everyone knew the standalone cost would have to be higher.
     
  10. Jun 11, 2021 #90 of 105
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    So someone pays 23 per month for all of the Bally Sports Channels or $23 per month just for the Bally Sports channels in your geographic area? Blackouts of games?
     
  11. Jun 11, 2021 #91 of 105
    James Long

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    What gets billed is not specifically what the RSNs get paid. That $8-10 plus the price of a programming package usually delivers just the local RSNs. The sports pack is an additional cost on the MVPDs that offer one.
     
  12. Jun 11, 2021 #92 of 105
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    Some other questions I have, which is just probably too soon to have answers for

    1) Will I get all of my "in-market" Sinclair RSNs? For baseball (all I'm really interested in) I live in Cardinals and Reds territory. Will I be able to stream both of those teams' games with the $23/mo fee?

    2) I wonder if a cheaper price point could be had if you pay for a year? I suspect that there are a lot of sports fans like me - they only follow baseball or basketball and thus have no need for the RSNs during the offseason. So maybe it's worth it to offer a yearly package for $200/year ($16.67/mo) as a way to get more out of customers. Of course... the other thought is that this $23/mo is actually a yearly discount (you actually pay $276/year - which equals $23/mo) so to actually pay month to month might be $30/mo.

    If #1 is true and if the price is reasonable ($23/mo per month for 6 months is borderline reasonable), then I might be willing to go for it. Currently I don't get the Cardinals and Reds games. I went with SlingTV, paying $31/mo. So adding $23/mo to that, still puts me a far cry from the $120/mo I was spending on DirecTV (which I didn't even get the Cardinals games at that price point, I had to buy the $13/mo sports pack for that). So while it is expensive, if it fits your TV viewing preferences then it can still be cheaper.
     
  13. Jun 11, 2021 #93 of 105
    NashGuy

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    How do you know what the RSNs are getting paid by MVPDs? I've never seen anything that indicates that it's an amount different from the itemized "regional sports fee". That's what MVPDs are telling their customers is the carriage cost of that channel(s).

    As for "sports pack" content from out-of-market RSNs, I don't know of any MVPD who does that other than DTV (and if I understand correctly, it's only the talk/news content from those channels, not any of the actual live sports). I've seen no indication that Bally intends to include that out-of-market content in their DTC streaming service either, although perhaps they will to help justify the cost.
     
  14. Jun 11, 2021 #94 of 105
    NashGuy

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    Pretty sure the service will only include whatever live sports they determine is "in-market" for your location. Sinclair doesn't have the rights to air/stream out-of-market sports. Those rights are reserved by the leagues themselves and sold via packages like MLB.tv and NHL.tv. (Although NHL.tv will soon cease to exist, with out-of-market games streaming through ESPN+ starting next season.)
     
  15. Jun 11, 2021 #95 of 105
    NashGuy

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    Good questions that no one knows the answers to. Way too early for those kinds of specifics.

    As to your first Q, though, does MLB.tv disallow you from seeing both the Cards and the Reds? If so, then maybe you could get both from Bally. Next thing I'd look at is whether the local cable company in your area (which is where? somewhere in KY?) carries both channels. Or which channels your zip code is zoned for from DTV and AT&T TV. Sounds like you live in one of those in-between areas, so who knows what Bally might give you via their DTC app.
     
  16. Jun 11, 2021 #96 of 105
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    That is waaaaaaaaay too expensive just to get the hated St. Louis Cardinals games which I could care less about. :D

    For $23 per month I would expect something like the DirecTV Sports Pack.
     
  17. Jun 11, 2021 #97 of 105
    evotz

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    Yea, figured it was too soon to have answers to those questions, but just wanted to point out that I thought they were good questions.

    No cable line run across my yard. So it's either streaming or one of the satellites.

    I had DirecTV for a while, but got tired of paying the $120/mo for what little I was watching. DirecTV only gave me the Reds games, unless I paid the $13/mo Sports Pack then I'd get the Cardinals (live in extreme Western Kentucky).

    Luckily, I'm a Cubs fan. So an MLB.tv subscription was to be had either way - just sucks that I can't get the Cubs games when they play the Cardinals or Reds (well... within their TOS, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*).

    Even when Sinclair was on YouTubeTV or Hulu Live TV (or Fubo? Did they come to an agreement with Sinclair?) it wasn't really clear if I'd get both the Cardinals and Reds or just one of the teams. That's the sucky part of MLB's blackout rules.

    I decided to drop DirecTV because I wasn't watching anything on it anyway - maybe some games on ESPN, but that was about it. I get ESPN with my SlingTV package. Otherwise I'm watching baseball or something on Hulu (not Live TV Hulu). So I was going to buy mlb.tv anyway - so to consider that is a wash. But if I can pay $23/mo to get the few games that the Cubs play the Reds or Cardinals, that's not completely unreasonable.

    But MLB considers me in Reds and Cardinals territory so I can't stream those games through mlb.tv. And it's just not worth it for me to pay the $133/mo it'd take to get the Reds and Cardinals games with DirecTV - especially since I'm not really their fans, I just want to watch the games when they play the Cubs. If the Bally app only gives me one team for $23/mo then that's probably going to be a hard sell for me also.

    (A lot of this could be rectified if MLB would remove the claim that the Reds have on this part of Kentucky, because there are no Reds fans down here. Lots of Cardinals fans though. This should be Cardinals only market, with Reds games then available on mlb.tv ... but MLB didn't ask for my opinion)
     
  18. Jun 11, 2021 #98 of 105
    evotz

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    What is MLB.tv a year? I forgot what I paid? $125? Essentially it's for 6 months.

    If all I'm watching is baseball from April through September (which is mostly true).

    With DirecTV getting the Reds + Cardinals + mlb.tv I'm paying = $133/mo x 6 + $125 = $923

    If the Bally Sports OTT is $23/mo month-to-month and it gives me both the Cardinals and Reds = $263

    So a lot of savings there to get comparable content.

    Additionally with DirecTV I have to pay $120/mo for the other 6 months just for the privilege of having the ability to pay $133/mo for the Cardinals+Reds content.

    Again, not for everybody. I would certainly wish for the $23/mo price point to be less. But when you add things together it's not completely unreasonable.
     
  19. Jun 11, 2021 #99 of 105
    James Long

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    Do you realize that using that logic is stating the providers that don't charge a fee or are charging a lower fee are not paying the RSNs as much as those with a higher fee?
    The only deal that I recall was announced as a "pass through" was DISH's offer to carry Altitude a la carte with only the customers who wanted the content paying for the channel and Altitude able to set the price they thought their viewers would pay. Altitude declined carriage under those terms (RSNs thrive on having paying subscribers who never watch their channels).

    A $6 per subscriber charge from the RSN has been bantered about in some articles and discussions. Out of market areas (professional games blacked out) would be less.

    Out of market blackouts affect professional sports. Some people might want access to an out of market RSN for the pre-game and post game shows that get blacked out on the national packages as well as news shows and college and regional sports. Not worth paying full in market pricing but worth something.
     
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    MLB-TV regular price is $129.99 per year. If you are a veteran it is around $75 per year with the veteran discount. I still have DirecTV and get MLBEI which also includes MLB-TV. I was in the Cardinals/Cubs/White Sox area for years until the beginning of the 2020 season and at that time they kicked me out of the Chicago area so now the only team I am is is STL and I'm in the dreaded zone this weekend of the Cubs and Cardinals playing each other so I am blacked out of the Cubs broadcast everywhere. Today (Cubs won already) and tomorrow my only option is the Cardinals broadcast and Sunday they are on ESPN with the worst broadcast in the history of sports.

    That would be for 38 games since the Cubs play each team 19 times so 263/38 = almost $7 per game. Cheaper than going to the ball park. LOL
     

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